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pino

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Posted 1456879122	Reply with quote #1

Hello My last posting for help to id this fig resulted in finding the original owner that brought the fig from Italy. This fig originated from Valoze's Greenhouses; http://valozesgreenhouse.com/about/ The fig was brought over from Italy by the grandfather Sal Valoze 50 years ago and this family fig is still growing in their main greenhouse. According to them the fig tree can be found happily living in many homes around the capital district (Albany NY). They call this fig "Valoze fig tree". Thought I would do a topic on this fig and see if any other f4f members are growing this fig and how they like it and if anyone recognizes the fig family variety and what part of Italy it originated. My container grown 2yr old fig was very sweet, chewy and a rich taste. Could eat a basket of them. The fig said to be cold hardy. It sure seems very happy at my place and it is a keeper for me. Comments and suggestions welcome. Thanks for looking Attached Images mega_celeste_IMG_2211.jpg (143.77 KB, 94 views) mega_celeste_IMG_2209.jpg (68.50 KB, 88 views) mega_vbt_IMG_2039.jpg (44.72 KB, 81 views) mega_celeste_IMG_2013.jpg (143.07 KB, 78 views) umc_IMG_2054.jpg (112.14 KB, 82 views) ega_vbt_IMG_2037.jpg (181.85 KB, 71 views) __________________ Pino, zone 6, Niagara, JCJ Acres Wish; Peace on earth and more figs Italian 258, Galicia Negra, Luv, trade suggestions welcome.

Smyfigs

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Posted 1456879597	Reply with quote #2

Great idea to get a topic started on this fig, Pino. I like the story behind it and a beautiful fig with what appears to be excellent taste. It really looks like a great fig. Is it possible to get a photo of the mother tree? __________________ Meg-Hardiness Zone 10a Looking for... Socorro Blk Wuhan Jolly Tiger Lamperia Preta Herschtetten St. Jean Black Ischia "The best way to show my gratitude is to accept everything, even my problems, with joy." ~ Mother Teresa "Do not pass by a man in need for you may be the hand of God to him." ~Proverbs 3:27~ "He performs wonders that cannot be fathomed, miracles that cannot be counted." ~Job 5:4

pino

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Posted 1456880148	Reply with quote #3

Great idea Meg! Albany NY is 250 miles away from me so hopefully someone else from the capital district can visit the mother tree that is still growing there at Valoze's Greenhouses. __________________ Pino, zone 6, Niagara, JCJ Acres Wish; Peace on earth and more figs Italian 258, Galicia Negra, Luv, trade suggestions welcome.

Smyfigs

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Posted 1456882245 · Edited	Reply with quote #4

Yes, maybe a F4F member who is close to Valoze can do it. It sure will be great to see it! __________________ Meg-Hardiness Zone 10a Looking for... Socorro Blk Wuhan Jolly Tiger Lamperia Preta Herschtetten St. Jean Black Ischia "The best way to show my gratitude is to accept everything, even my problems, with joy." ~ Mother Teresa "Do not pass by a man in need for you may be the hand of God to him." ~Proverbs 3:27~ "He performs wonders that cannot be fathomed, miracles that cannot be counted." ~Job 5:4

pvc12

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Posted 1456882401 · Edited	Reply with quote #5

I live in the Albany area and have a few of the Valoze fig trees. I have a Valoze tree that has been in the ground for maybe 10 years and does better than any other tree in my collection. The tree is fast growing, very productive, and cold hardy. It also roots from cuttings extremely easily. It seems like it's hands down the best fig variety for my area, probably because it has been in the northeast for over 50 years. I can post a photo of the mother tree as soon as I can get a chance to visit the Valoze greenhouse. I would offer some cuttings to members but I do a bad job of keeping my cuttings organized and they are all mixed up with my other trees. __________________ Paul NY - Zone 5

Greenguy

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Posted 1456890177	Reply with quote #6

Pvc12 How do you cover it for winter. And when does the fruit ripen in the Albany area. Cian __________________ wish list pananas purple, i258, any type of mutation

paully22

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Posted 1456891985	Reply with quote #7

Congrats Pino. Another good one for Canada.

pvc12

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Posted 1456892062	Reply with quote #8

To protect my trees in the winter I encircle them with carpet and fill with leaves. Here is a photo of the protected tree: The Valoze figs usually ripen in Early September through October until the first frost (usually mid October). I have relatives who have the Valoze's in pots and they ripen a month earlier in August. __________________ Paul NY - Zone 5

Smyfigs

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Posted 1456893743	Reply with quote #9

Paul, nice of you to offer to get a photo of the mother tree. I think we will all enjoy that. Does the Valoze nursery sell these trees? __________________ Meg-Hardiness Zone 10a Looking for... Socorro Blk Wuhan Jolly Tiger Lamperia Preta Herschtetten St. Jean Black Ischia "The best way to show my gratitude is to accept everything, even my problems, with joy." ~ Mother Teresa "Do not pass by a man in need for you may be the hand of God to him." ~Proverbs 3:27~ "He performs wonders that cannot be fathomed, miracles that cannot be counted." ~Job 5:4

pino

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Posted 1456922487	Reply with quote #10

Quote: Originally Posted by paully22 Congrats Pino. Another good one for Canada. Thanks Paul! Paul growing it in ground for 10 years in Zone 5 sounds very promising!! Given the taste and quality of this fig I am putting it on my favourites to grow in ground in cold areas. It also does well in containers and ripens early. The first figs ripened for me in late August. I would think it would do well in the PNW also I will start an air layer for you if you like? Thanks to all for your comments! __________________ Pino, zone 6, Niagara, JCJ Acres Wish; Peace on earth and more figs Italian 258, Galicia Negra, Luv, trade suggestions welcome.

MariannaMiller

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Posted 1456923931	Reply with quote #11

Wish I had discovered Valoze figs when I lived outside of Albany. I would have started growing figs much earlier. Anyhow, Valoze has a large nursery operation with outlets in both Cohoes, NY and Latham, NY. My guess is if someone were to write to them and ask, some cuttings might be obtainable or possibly even a dormant tree. The south end of Albany had a large Italian population, I bet there are several trees in back yards that could be sources for this cultivar too. Sounds like it really deserves to have a higher profile than it does. __________________ Wish list: Patlicans, Adriatic, Salem Dark, Lebanese Red, Conadria In Ground: Alma, Brunswick,Bryant Dark, BT, Celeste, Dominic, HC, It. Honey,LSU Purple, Mission Black, Sarizeybek; In pots: Ashlan, Atreano, Blk Bethlehem, El Molino Unk.,Excel, DK, Gr. Ischia, Kadota, Lattarula, Nero 600, VDB, Olympian, Petit Negri, Unk. Plainfield, Unk. Slidell Blk, Sweet George, Unk Portuguese Purple, Unk. It. Yellow, White Genoa, White Tx Everbearing; Madison SC 29693 (7a/7b)

vito12831

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Posted 1456926335	Reply with quote #12

Hi Pino. Thank you for posting that great looking fig, I live about half hour from that nursery, I'll be visiting the nursery to see if they sell plants. Vito

pvc12

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Posted 1456926850	Reply with quote #13

The mother tree is a huge stump like tree where they continually remove cuttings to grow the trees that they sell. If your lucky enough to get a tree it will usually be about 3ft tall with figs on it already and cost somewhere in the area of $20. They have limited amount of trees, and they sell very fast in the spring. __________________ Paul NY - Zone 5

sbmohan

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Posted 1456927165	Reply with quote #14

Thanks Pino for the information and bringing this great fig to light. Looks very interesting and attractive. The fruit resembles Negronne/VdB, but with a longer neck, yet the leaves are close to Mt.Etna type. If it is doing great in your area, I am sure it is a good fig for areas with summer. __________________ Mohan B Harrisburg, NC - Zone 7a

Blackfoot

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Posted 1456949757	Reply with quote #15

Just to save every ones time (including Valoze's). I called them. They were very nice. They said they don't sell cuttings. They don't ship. They said once they put the rooted cuttings for sale they sell them quickly (couple weeks). The woman I spoke to felt bad for me and said I could buy some from such and such nursery, and that they ship. I said but are they Valoze figs? And she said no. LOL __________________ Zone 7A NJ Wish List: Nothing now. I am in way over my head.

pino

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Posted 1456953228	Reply with quote #16

Mohan, thanks but really thanks should go to Sal Valoze who brought this fig over from Italy and to Paul for growing it for 10 years and giving us his insights Blackfoot, thanks for following up with the nursery! Too bad I didn't know you were going to call it would be nice to know what part of Italy the Valoze brought this fig from. __________________ Pino, zone 6, Niagara, JCJ Acres Wish; Peace on earth and more figs Italian 258, Galicia Negra, Luv, trade suggestions welcome.

paully22

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Posted 1456954349 · Edited	Reply with quote #17

Thanks Pino. Would love to trial it. Can I make you an air layer Preto, CddN, Cdd Gris, Florea to reciprocate. What is MC on your wish list ?

pino

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Posted 1456956078	Reply with quote #18

Paul, Thanks on the Florea but I have one coming. I need to update my list. MC is Melanzana Calabrese. I am still trying to nail this one down since what I thought I had is likely LdA. The other figs you are offering would be like a wish come true!! I can only promise to make my figs available for you or be your back up on anything I have. grazie mille! __________________ Pino, zone 6, Niagara, JCJ Acres Wish; Peace on earth and more figs Italian 258, Galicia Negra, Luv, trade suggestions welcome.

Smyfigs

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Posted 1456970801	Reply with quote #19

Thx for all the follow up & sharing here. Im on the West coast so I am not able to visit when they offer the tree... i am still hopeful for a picture of the mother tree! __________________ Meg-Hardiness Zone 10a Looking for... Socorro Blk Wuhan Jolly Tiger Lamperia Preta Herschtetten St. Jean Black Ischia "The best way to show my gratitude is to accept everything, even my problems, with joy." ~ Mother Teresa "Do not pass by a man in need for you may be the hand of God to him." ~Proverbs 3:27~ "He performs wonders that cannot be fathomed, miracles that cannot be counted." ~Job 5:4

Lewi

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Posted 1457243523	Reply with quote #20

To any Valoze owner...I would be happy to trade or pay a reasonable amount for some cuttings. Pino, you have a Bella tree. __________________ West Florida (West of the Apalachiola River as defined by the proclamation of 1763). zone 8a winters can get cold for figs...down to 12 F twice in last four years. Lewi = Levite

vito12831

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Posted 1457272628	Reply with quote #21

I went to Valoze'S nursery a couple of days ago, and to save everyone time, there will knot be any rooted cuttings, I spoke with who I think is the owner and said it's very hard to root,he would get two cuttings out of ten to root so he didn't root any this year. The mother tree is a trunk about eight inches round four feet tall with a big nob on top without any branches, he was kind and busy and cut me four tiny little cuttings about two inches long with a couple of leaves on them. He said he will have figs trees for sale, not the Valoze's. Vito

pino

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Posted 1457272760	Reply with quote #22

Si, bella vera! Thanks Lewi! Hope someone comes through for you. My plant has grown very well but is still only 2yrs old. Am doing a couple of air layers for friends but no cuttings this year. __________________ Pino, zone 6, Niagara, JCJ Acres Wish; Peace on earth and more figs Italian 258, Galicia Negra, Luv, trade suggestions welcome.

pino

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Posted 1457273682	Reply with quote #23

Thanks for letting us know Vito and good luck with the cuttings! I wouldn't be too discouraged with those comments. Everyone has a different skill level rooting cuttings. I am anything but an expert at rooting cuttings but I had good luck with them. __________________ Pino, zone 6, Niagara, JCJ Acres Wish; Peace on earth and more figs Italian 258, Galicia Negra, Luv, trade suggestions welcome.

pvc12

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Posted 1457280767 · Edited	Reply with quote #24

Hi Vito, I am very suprised to hear that! I have been going there for many years and the only trees for sale were the fig trees from that mother tree. I wonder if something changed in the management and they no longer have the desire to produce the rooted cuttings? __________________ Paul NY - Zone 5

vito12831

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Posted 1457288583	Reply with quote #25

Hi Paul. It was my first time there, although I've passed it hundreds of times. I was also surprised because there was no branches on the plant, I can't imagine they would cut all the branches and throw them away. Vito

pvc12

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Posted 1457291999	Reply with quote #26

Vito I usually go there in May and the tree (stump) will have many new small branches. I'm thinking they remove all the branches in the fall for propagating? I remember last year I did not see any fig trees for sale and they said they had trouble growing the cuttings. I thought it was just a bad year because every other year before that they would have many trees for sale. __________________ Paul NY - Zone 5

rcantor

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Posted 1457301392	Reply with quote #27

Vito, teach them to a/l. __________________ Zone 6, MO Wish list: Galicia Negra, De La Reina - Pons, Genovese Nero - Rafed's, Sbayi, Souadi, Acciano, Any Rimada, Sodus Sicilian, any Bass, Pons or Axier fig, any great tasting fig.

Charlie

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Posted 1457306063	Reply with quote #28

Hmmm. That leaf looks a lot like my Unk Jim Dandy find. I haven't got to see a really ripe fig to compare color but the ones I did get were that shape/size. "Jim" brought it to Arkansas from Brooklyn some 40 years ago. Hopefully I can learn some more this year. __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

HarveyC

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Posted 1457306221	Reply with quote #29

Vito, those sound like candidates for grafting! If there are unopened buds on those tiny cuttings, cut off those leaves. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

HarveyC

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Posted 1457310425	Reply with quote #30

Good luck! One tiny cutting I grated 27 days ago was transplanted into a 5 gallon pot today and I'm hoping for fruit by early August. I'm biased towards grafting. :) __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

vito12831

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Posted 1457311289	Reply with quote #31

Harvey. I grafted three cuttings last year and all three failed, I didn't want to change it with these cuttings. Vito

pvc12

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Posted 1457312196	Reply with quote #32

Vito, I have the best luck by plating cuttings directly in the ground at an angle, leaving about 1/2" above ground. I plant them in May or June and get nearly 100% success. __________________ Paul NY - Zone 5

vito12831

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Posted 1457316172	Reply with quote #33

Paul, the one that I planted in promix looks good, the other three in the cloner are coming out of shock. I'll keep my fingers crossed. Vito

pvc12

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Posted 1457317221	Reply with quote #34

Vito, If you have any trouble rooting the cuttings, we can meet in the summer and I will give you a live Valoze tree. __________________ Paul NY - Zone 5

vito12831

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Posted 1457320739	Reply with quote #35

Thank you very much Paul. I'd like to meet you even if they root. We could meet at my house with my friend Al(Hadlock pond) and have a couple of cold ones and solve all the fig problems ☺ Vito

figgary

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Posted 1457321969	Reply with quote #36

That fig does look special, Pino. I'm glad that you shared the story, thanks. __________________ Gary in CA 9A Seeking: Bebera Branca*, Colonel Littman's Cross

Smyfigs

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Posted 1457327876 · Edited	Reply with quote #37

Anyone take a picture of the mother tree...before its gone?! Ps: I'll be happy tobuy a couple of cuttings if and when they are available. __________________ Meg-Hardiness Zone 10a Looking for... Socorro Blk Wuhan Jolly Tiger Lamperia Preta Herschtetten St. Jean Black Ischia "The best way to show my gratitude is to accept everything, even my problems, with joy." ~ Mother Teresa "Do not pass by a man in need for you may be the hand of God to him." ~Proverbs 3:27~ "He performs wonders that cannot be fathomed, miracles that cannot be counted." ~Job 5:4

HarveyC

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Posted 1457330369	Reply with quote #38

Quote: Originally Posted by vito12831 Harvey. I grafted three cuttings last year and all three failed, I didn't want to change it with these cuttings. Vito Vito, this made me laugh a couple of times. I have high rate of success with grafting and rooting most cuttings in ProMix HP. But I will offer two cloners for free to anybody who wants to pick them up! :) __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

vito12831

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Posted 1457357677	Reply with quote #39

Oh Harvey you're kill me

pino

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Posted 1457363709	Reply with quote #40

Thanks Gary! Cool climate growers have to be a little more discerning when choosing what figs to invest time in for growing in ground. This fig has my endorsement. Meg, hang in there Paul has said he will visit there in May and hopefully will take a photo. It may be too late for cuttings this year unless someone has a Valoze in a pot stored away that sees your post. Next year you should have lots of chances to get some cuttings. Good luck with those cuttings Vito! __________________ Pino, zone 6, Niagara, JCJ Acres Wish; Peace on earth and more figs Italian 258, Galicia Negra, Luv, trade suggestions welcome.

Smyfigs

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Posted 1457368201	Reply with quote #41

Thanks Vito. I must have missed Paul's post. __________________ Meg-Hardiness Zone 10a Looking for... Socorro Blk Wuhan Jolly Tiger Lamperia Preta Herschtetten St. Jean Black Ischia "The best way to show my gratitude is to accept everything, even my problems, with joy." ~ Mother Teresa "Do not pass by a man in need for you may be the hand of God to him." ~Proverbs 3:27~ "He performs wonders that cannot be fathomed, miracles that cannot be counted." ~Job 5:4

pvc12

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Posted 1461118895	Reply with quote #42

Quote: Originally Posted by Smyfigs Anyone take a picture of the mother tree...before its gone?! Ps: I'll be happy tobuy a couple of cuttings if and when they are available. Meg, Here is a picture of the Valoze mother tree. Attached Images image.jpeg (579.69 KB, 85 views) __________________ Paul NY - Zone 5

Windowsill_Gardens

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Posted 1461157845	Reply with quote #43

Holy crow! Albany is only about 20 min away from me. I never run into fig trees around here, so it feels like a bit of a shock to learn that any nursery that close had been selling figs for years. So sad that they stopped doing cuttings. The Valoze tree looks and sounds like a winner. __________________ Danielle: Massachusetts, zone 5

pino

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Posted 1461167275	Reply with quote #44

Hey Paul, Thanks for the photo of the mother Valoze tree! I can see a great relationship with me and this fig tree given the great taste and cold tolerance of it. __________________ Pino, zone 6, Niagara, JCJ Acres Wish; Peace on earth and more figs Italian 258, Galicia Negra, Luv, trade suggestions welcome.

Smyfigs

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Posted 1461282304 · Edited	Reply with quote #45

Paul, thanks for posting the updated Veloze fig tree pic!! Beautiful tree!! __________________ Meg-Hardiness Zone 10a Looking for... Socorro Blk Wuhan Jolly Tiger Lamperia Preta Herschtetten St. Jean Black Ischia "The best way to show my gratitude is to accept everything, even my problems, with joy." ~ Mother Teresa "Do not pass by a man in need for you may be the hand of God to him." ~Proverbs 3:27~ "He performs wonders that cannot be fathomed, miracles that cannot be counted." ~Job 5:4

pino

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Posted 1473453532	Reply with quote #46

Valoze is also ripening nicely here are a couple picked a day early since heavy rain predicted over night. Attached Images valoze_IMG_4713.jpg (302.85 KB, 15 views) __________________ Pino, zone 6, Niagara, JCJ Acres Wish; Peace on earth and more figs Italian 258, Galicia Negra, Luv, trade suggestions welcome.

tsparozi

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Posted 1473454124	Reply with quote #47

Great story and thread. Seems like a keeper fig, especially for cold hardy areas... Congrats! __________________ Tony S - Zone 6A Carmel, NY WL-Ischia Black (UCD/USDA), Martinenca, Calderona, Victoria, Craven's Craving, Colonel Littman's Black Cross, Bon Jesusa, Sant Martina, Princesa, Paretjal Negra

DevIsgro

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Posted 1473454243	Reply with quote #48

Very nice looking fruits Pino! I hope they will become available here a day. __________________ Currently growing 50-60 varieties, this season's cuttings dependant. Hopefully I'll get to taste a few more this year...

vito12831

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Posted 1473465529	Reply with quote #49

Hi Joe, My Valoze fig is doing great,it even has a couple of figs on it. They won't ripen this year, but there's always next year. Thank you for bringing attention to this fig tree. Vito

pino

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Posted 1473510125	Reply with quote #50

Thanks Devin, Tony and Vito. This tree is in a 5 gal pot. Hopefully Paul will post a photo of his in ground Valoze and see how they look. __________________ Pino, zone 6, Niagara, JCJ Acres Wish; Peace on earth and more figs Italian 258, Galicia Negra, Luv, trade suggestions welcome.

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