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I was wondering if you have..... say 6 inch cutting root without any nodes. ,i know cuttings produce roots in areas without nodes. I think too much !! Lol. But will it ?
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It might root but it won't ever leaf without a node.
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Ok. Was just wondering. Thanks
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Very interesting, do suckers come from underground nodes or from the roots???
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Very interesting, do suckers come from underground nodes or from the roots???


My theory is that an underground lateral limb becomes indistinguishable from a root and are often mistaken as roots but have nodes and that is where suckers come from.  If suckers come from roots, then my blackberry bed should sprout hundreds of fig suckers next spring from all the roots left in after removing 75 figs in the shuffle.

If it does I'll recant my belief that figs don't sucker from roots.  Suckers make me think rhizomes and I never heard of fig root rhizomes. :)
 
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Maybe have it root then graft on a section with a node?
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I am going to root it just for,a experiment.
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What Is a Sucker?

When a root sends up a new stem away from the main stem, we call it a sucker. Suckers are also any new vertical growth that arises from the base of a trunk.

"Remove suckers growing on the base of the tree. A sucker is a branch that begins to grow from the base or roots of the fig tree. It can look similar to the tree itself but can be identified by the fact that it does not stem from the main branch or trunk of the tree."  This is a quote from the following link on pruning. I do not promote this link but just found it interesting. I think you may need a main trunk before you can get suckers but apparently they do come from the roots. Makes sense.

http://www.wikihow.com/Prune-a-Fig-Tree

Hey Rich, I say try quite a few, maybe different varieties, some that are known to create suckers. Sounds like a nice experiment.
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Waynea good idea. Will mark each one and,see what happens
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try to give the sap from the leaves, apply in the former nodes.
This event has been tried by my friends in Indonesia.
it could be just a coincidence or not, please try
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Figs don't develop suckers that are different from branches.  A sucker is just a branch that started underground.  It will fruit, grow and can root like any other branch.  Sometimes an old branch without visible nodes will throw out a shoot and you may be able to encourage that with Keiki paste.  It works best if you can identify an old node and put it there.  Old wood roots easily but it can take over a year for old wood that's rooted to throw a shoot.  Fertilization helps.  Roots will never throw a shoot.


600 to 1000 ppm benzylaminopurine lanolin paste.
to make the paste dissolve the BAP in 99% iso with a couple drops of dish soap and then mix into heated lanolin shake well for at lease 15 minutes and then ad back to heat to evaporate any alcohol left in the paste. let cool and apply
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my LDA leafed out with no nods
was thick short stumpy was about 2 inchs long i rooted and  the skin broke and leafed out now its a 18 inch plant
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Of course it is possible.
Any mersitematic tissue like cambium has the genetic freedom to develope to anything that is part of the genom. Roots, bark, leaves, stems,..

And yes this can take really long time, but every parts of the cutting exposed to sunlight will have a chance of shorten this time span since sunlight induces severe hormon changes in plant tissue.
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Thankyou everyone. I was wondering about this because i have some decent size cuttings from my lsu gold pruning that have one node and no nodes. Others are regular cuttings i saved for trades
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You've got nothing to lose by trying.
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two negatives...all the rest are positives....go for it Richie! Share the results.
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Already in progress. Took pics of cuttings that i will use. Post pucs tomorrow
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Figs are crazy, you never know!  Look forward to the results.  Had a person tell me their father use to stick leaf stems in pots and grow new plants.  I just never got around to trying it. Yet lol
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Wow charlie .sounds like a job for the fig doctor. .... Wife is going to make you the fig doctor hat soon ;)
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Hi,
It is my opinion that fig roots are able to revert to branches and bud out. Some roots almost look like  a buried callused stem.
Look at this 2 years old fig bush ... It has some 40 stems ... Really that guy buried 40 nodes ??? No, way for me .
This bush is 2 years old. You can tell the 2 yo stems and the ones from this year.
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So for me the roots did sprout new stems. But, why on that particular tree did the roots send so many shoots is the 1000$ question !
I had myself an ufti fig tree that was dying back to the roots almost every year. It ended up being a 30 stems bush. But those stems where coming from under the dirt ... and I'm sure that those 30 nodes were not buried at planting time

So your stem may bud out... It will for sure take more time than budding out from a node .

It is known with plums, that if you hit the roots with a shovel, you'll get root shoots from some of the roots.  I had 6 root shoots on my plum tree after burying some manure around the tree - I did cut some roots to bury the manure in the dirt... Of course the shoots are from the rootstock ... Them plums are all grafted here...

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I exposed about 6 inches of a 1/8 inch diameter blackberry root with a shovel a couple months back. From the exposed root, which was actually lifted out of the soil, several new shoots emerged. Also, a couple shoots sprouted on either side of the exposed portion of the root.

It would be interesting to try to duplicate this event on a fig root next spring when the trees go into a growing mode.
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Hey Richie, any progress with this??? I'm about to try it myself...
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Hi,
It is my opinion that fig roots are able to revert to branches and bud out. Some roots almost look like  a buried callused stem.
Look at this 2 years old fig bush ... It has some 40 stems ... Really that guy buried 40 nodes ??? No, way for me .
This bush is 2 years old. You can tell the 2 yo stems and the ones from this year.
shoots.jpg 

So for me the roots did sprout new stems. But, why on that particular tree did the roots send so many shoots is the 1000$ question !
I had myself an ufti fig tree that was dying back to the roots almost every year. It ended up being a 30 stems bush. But those stems where coming from under the dirt ... and I'm sure that those 30 nodes were not buried at planting time

So your stem may bud out... It will for sure take more time than budding out from a node .

It is known with plums, that if you hit the roots with a shovel, you'll get root shoots from some of the roots.  I had 6 root shoots on my plum tree after burying some manure around the tree - I did cut some roots to bury the manure in the dirt... Of course the shoots are from the rootstock ... Them plums are all grafted here...


Where did you take this picture from. Looks like a tree of my brothers neighborhood
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Has anyone ever seen an old oak. maple or ashe type tree start growing a branch on old gnarly bark?  Of course you have!!!  Are there visible nodes to grow a branch out of?  No

Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it is not there!
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Hi Richie,
His your bro living in France ?
That tree is in a garden next to mine. I took that pic on purpose as an example of what one should NOT do (unless you're preparing for propagation ).
For the little story, something like two weeks after I took the pic, the owner chopped all but 3 or 4 stems (the bigger ones in the photos were left untrimmed).
It was heartbreaking ... All that energy lost by the tree just in pure loss ... All that wood left to dry on the dirt ... But of course with so many root-shoots there is no way one would turn each one into a tree ... unless one buys land just for them  ... If I'm not mistaken, that bush is of the "healthy longue d'aout" strain. Here around, hlda is the strain that gardeners with middle-est origins seem to spread in their community. I bought mine from a local French gardener though.
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No he lives in Pennsylvania lol. He sent me a puc of his next door neighbor tree. AND IT LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE THAT ONE lol. It really does. When he sent it i thought of this tree you posted. I have to show you. It has a twin. Richie from louisiana
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All the fig suckers i have seen are near the base of the tree and probably are from underground branches and not roots.

On the other hand i believe jujube suckers from roots since they sucker 1-2 meters out of the base of the tree somtimes.
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All the fig suckers i have seen are near the base of the tree and probably are from underground branches and not roots. On the other hand i believe jujube suckers from roots since they sucker 1-2 meters out of the base of the tree somtimes.


My experience as well on both species. Those shoots that come up near a fig bush aren't from the roots. They're from the base of the plant. If you dig out all the base of a fig the roots don't sprout. I've left plenty of fig roots in my greenhouse and not one sprout.

Jujube on the other hand send up root sprouts by the dozens. I dug out 7 trees and got about one foot of the roots all the way around the trees base. It took two yrs to kill off all the sprouts from the roots that remained. If you dig out a fig like that there will be no sprouts.
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Fig wood can develop nodes.   The older the wood the more time it takes.  Fig roots will never sprout.  Keiki paste may accelerate the process.
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I am going to root it just for,a experiment.
figpig_66,
it can definitely root, in fact, it could be a great root stock for grafting. Good luck ;)
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