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My Italian 258 acquired early this year from US has produced a couple of ripe fruits. I must say it is worth the time and expense seeking this variety.

I don't know of any other fig grower in Malaysia who has this plant. 

Thank you wholeheartedly to a figs4fun member who assisted me in my pursuit.

Below are four pictures: 1) Top view of I258; 2) The I258  fruits; 3) One ripe fruit; 4) The inside of I258;






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Posted Reply with quote  #2 
Thanks for the great pictures.

From your experience does i have a bushy or a tree like growth?
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Great looking fig. Glad you are liking it.
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I hope you did not pay very much, because that is not Italian 258. The leaves should be rounded, not pointed. The inside dark red, not pink. 
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The i-258 is a great produtive variety.my has tons of figlets but, none has ripened yet.I got the tree in late summer. Thank you for sharing.
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Thank you all for your comments. Really appreciate them.

Elin
The plant has three main branches and a few smaller branches, but not bushy.

hoosierbanana
Thank you for your comment and observation. would it be possible for you to post pictures of the real Italian 258 that you mentioned. May be there is an explanation why the leaves of my Italian 258 are pointed and not rounded as you said.



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Thanks for posting your pics, looking good.

For those who have a few of these types of figs, are there noticeable differences between, i258, Figo Preto, Black Madeira and Genovese Nero? Do they have different leaf patterns? Fruit size?

I have a picture of my Figo Preto I got started on 7/1/15 from a small 4 inch 2 node cutting. It is pointed like in your picture, it's also forming a fig so I can see how it will look/taste in a few months.

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Italian258small.jpg 

Figs do change their appearance often, perhaps it will look different in the future... To me though there are enough differences to rule out Italian 258.

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My I-258's, from Richard Watts match Hoosierbanana leaf, nothing like FiggySid1.
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I agree with Hoosier banana. The color and consistency of the inside of the fruit as well as the leaf seems off. Like Brent said, there really seems to be enough evidence to doubt the authenticity. I know that the growing conditions, temperature, sunlight, etc are different there, so that may have some impact on appearance. The variable that is most telling for me is the interior. Do you have any more pics of more of the ripe fruits? Perhaps a bigger sample size may help you rest easier in case I've misdiagnosed it. Here is my fruit and interior.

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Here are leaves of my Italian 258 (sourced from Herman/Vasile), FWIW

This photo was taken on Nov 27th, so they show some effects from cold weather.

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Thank you hoosierbanana, bigbadbill and HarveyC for the pictures.

I am crushed looking at the pictures you folks posted. However, I'll wait and see whether the plant will produce the fruits and leaves as shown in the photos. Meanwhile, I hope more evidence will be forthcoming to ID the plant correctly.

Guess I will need to continue hunting.

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Figgysid1

Nice looking leaf. if that is Figo Preto I will not need to add the variety to my collection.

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Sorry Safar. Here is mine, from Dan Foster.

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Dr Safar, I hope you did not pay too much for this. I have stopped buying for the time being since there are too much confusion and synnonyms in the market (especially in Malaysia). But if it is figo preto then all the effort and expenses are not wasted
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Preto is a dark purple fig.
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I have seen pictures of dark figs ripen with greenish skin. I think he posted 1 leaf and 1 fruit...

Here in Hawaii we can have 4 main crops of figs, that ripen in spring, summer, fall and winter. Some varieties change different colors on the outside and inside, flavor is different for each season. My Adriatic figs are red on the inside when they ripen in the summer but completely amber inside when ripening in the winter.

I don't know what conditions he Is growing his plants, full sun? Shaded? Is it raining everyday? What temperature is it there in the day/night?

I posted a picture of my Preto leaf because it looks similar, pointed with shallow lobes. HarveyC has posted a picture of his i258 leaves with 2 at the top looking like Hoosierbanana's but the bottom leaf is pointed with shallow lobes.

I'm not saying that is what it is. Just trying to offer some comparisons between my Preto leaf and his leaf since they have a similar shape.

I can say with near 100% certainly it's not Brunswick. ;)




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hoosierbanana, HarveyC and brianm

Please have another look at the pictures of the  leaves I posted below. These are the more matured leaves. They are not as sharp ended as pointed out by hoosierbanana. In fact they looked like the ones posted by hoosierbanana. Hope I am right.

Norhayati

I have a few more varieties on my wish list before I will stop buying. After talking with Dr Paolo Belloni when he was in Kuala Lumpur for the the Fig Forum, I have one or two varieties to pick from Italy. i258 reversed 2.jpg 
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Dr. Safar, I've had my own misadventures with dealing with leaf shapes and prefer not to wade into such territory.  As Sid pointed out, the growing environment can have a big influence and the age of your tree as well.  These other leaves you posted definitely look closer to mine than the original ones.
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Thank you for adding the pictures Dr. Safar. Those leaves do indeed look much more like Italian 258.

I originally suspected that your tree was LSU Tiger, because it does make pointed heart shaped leaves sometimes and has figs that are often striped and have the same brown sugar spots on ripe figs. But the interior of your fig is darker than LSU Tiger, and the base of the other leaves shown are truncate instead of cordate. So I looked for other figs that have stripes and sugar spots and came up with Smith fig. These are other people's pictures I gathered of Smith that closely resemble your tree, there are also more pics out there that look much less similar though. If you read through this first link you can see how much the leaf shape of Smith changes.
http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/1888349/lsu-fig-pics
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Here is my i258 with photos of fruit and leaves

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/i258-and-lampeira-preta-main-7603362?highlight=i258&pid=1289344342
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It is suppose to be a dark fig. My source is R.Watts. What matters most is you like it and it is appropriate for your
zone. Hope you are trialing others like RdB, JH Adriatic, LSU Improved Celeste, O'Rourke, Scotts Blk, LSU Red, Cajun
Gold etc.
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Dear hoosierbanana, HarveyC, greenfig and paully22, brianm and bigbadbill

Thank you for providing me with more info on i258. For the time being those pictures are the only ripe fruits. There is one more on the tree which resembled the photo provided by hoosierbanana.
Although I can live with this plant, whether it is i258 or not, while the mystery thickens, I will need to continue with my search. If anyone here willing to part with some cuttings, I am more than willing to buy. Please pm me.

Safar
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Hi Safar:My opinion is:
your tree is I 258.
The climate coupled with the young age of tree, makes fruit to be light red inside,and rounder outside.
However next year,it will be much closer to how fruit should look.
Please post pixies of fruits next year.
Leaves are of I 258.
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Thank you Herman

Your opinion is very reassuring. I have looked at other threads on i258 and noticed the shape of the fruit is slightly different and the skin color is darker.
There are many fruits on this cultivar. So it should be enough fir me to observe. Ill wait for next season to see of possible changes.
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Main crop is productive.
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Hi Safar. May I ask, do you grow your plant in a greenhouse ( I ask because I thought I saw plastic sheeting in the background of the photos)? Perhaps this would explain some of the variation in color of exterior and interior of the fruit.
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Dear bigbadbill

yes my Fig plants are in a rain shelter, with uv plastic as roof and plastic netting as wall. This rain shelter is necessary as we receive very heavy rain during certain months of the year from October to January. i do not know this could affect the plant and fruits. But is worth observing. I am only in my third year of growing fig plants.

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We are having rainy season here in Hawaii right now as well. I also have my figs growing under uv plastic roof with plastic netting for walls.

Hopefully the color is off just because they ripened in rainy season in a shaded greenhouse. And in the dry season you will be able to be 100% certain that you have I258.
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My greenhouse grown and ripen figs color does differ when grown & ripen outside greenhouse. Difference in taste too. I258 does rupture & sour with rain. 
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It's your growing condition (climate, in green house and etc), that have caused your fruit to have a lighter color. I have shared my UDG with growers in US and other countries. Color and the shape of my UDG grown in Tuscany, Italy by a friend, does differ from what my own mother plant produces here in State in my 'climate'. I do believed you have the IT 258.

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It's too soon to tell since its your first fruit

I agree with Herman. Climate can play a huge factor

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Nice photo, Dan!
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Thank you everybody. I am glad in the end nobody disputed my i258.
When I posted the small story with some photos, it was to show that i258 can be grown in Malaysia.
I have not the slightest doubt that my fig plant is i258. Though I won it in a bidding in eBay, I know the source for several months and have been dealing for many months.
I accept the comments that the variations in the fruit were due to different environment and that the plant was under Rain Shelter which could affect it.

Thank you once again.

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Hi Safar! I apologize for being late in seeing this thread.

The mother tree from which your I 258 came, I received from a well-respected member here as well as ourfigs.com. I'm glad you're enjoying it!

Please keep me posted :-)

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To me Italian 258 is sweet. I did not know how sweet it is until I used a Brix meter to measure it. According to this meter is it 23.5. Is it sweet enough. What other cultivars which are sweeter?
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Persimmon is the,sweetest fruit ever but not as tasty as 258 !!!!
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Glad your getting fruits that are that sweet. I had 3 ripe Figo Preto figs that were very sweet. I tried to think what to compare the taste to. To me it was not jammy or jelly, but sticky sweet. Like melted strawberry flavored lollipops.

I will have to pick up a I258 to compare it to Preto.

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This is one I'm looking foward to, I got my tree last season and it was a little thing. It put out one fig but didn't ripen well because it was so late. It grew well and has a few figs on it this year so I can't wait.
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I have two. One in ground one potted. The in ground has 10 figs. Potted has zero. Potted is much bigger then in ground. In ground is older
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This is a super fig: Ital258frts2014.JPG  Ital 258 openripefruits2014.JPG 

If you got a very sunny spot,in your yard , get one.
I wish i had more than 8 -9 hours of sun in my yard so i can get it ripe to perfection every year.
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  It has been posited by several giants in our hobby that It-258 is also known by the name Planera.    It'll be a tasty side-by-side comparison that I look forward to...
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I had not heard that, Doug. I have a small Planera, I'll have to compare as it grows. IT 258 is a favorite.
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Blue I would not agree that Planera in any way resembles 258, where did you hear that? Planera is an early ripener whereas 258 is a late ripener, they are not similar at all in my view, and I am growing both.
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http://frenchfigfarm.com/fig-trees/planera

https://www.ourfigs.com/forum/figs-home/27773-planera-mp

How is the size of I258 fruit on average. I heard people say it's bigger than Black Madeira/Preto. It looks similar.
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I would not agree that Planera in any way resembles 258, where did you hear that?


  Whoa, whoa, whoa...    I didn't kick anyone's puppy here;  I merely stated that I was looking forward to a tasty comparison based upon the suggestion that they were one and the same.

       ...And, I stated up front that these guys were giants.   I'm a 98 lb weakling;  do you really think that I'd want them sitting on me for throwing them under the bus?   Sheesh!  ;-)
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It is bigger,one and a half bigger,just look at quarter in ,my pix ,Pix #1and you will see it is a medium to large fruit while Madeira, Preto is a medium size fruit.!
Another pix here
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I don't believe Planera to be similar to Italian 258.

Sid, Italian 258 fruits are considerably larger than my Black Madeira and Figo Preto.
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Ok but my Preto figs have been as big 3.5 ounces 99 grams. Maybe it's the environment, does humidity makes the fruit larger? We get fog/clouds rolling in often here.

Thanks for the pictures with the quarter for scale. Here is my Preto fig next to a quarter.



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