A new source, another not Ischia

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Figinfever

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Posted 1468199722	Reply with quote #1

Just picked a ripe supposed green Ischia; This time from Walmart. I'm zero for 3 tries at getting an Ischia. The skin is light yellow/ green and soft to the touch. It tastes more like sugar than honey, and a nutty flavor follows the very noticeable seed crunch. It's a good fig and a nice surprise, but somehow the disappointment of not tasting a green Ischia is still there. Could be a White Marseilles. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Attached Images image.jpeg (433.63 KB, 56 views) image.jpeg (866.39 KB, 60 views) image.jpeg (708.74 KB, 60 views) image.jpeg (962.33 KB, 59 views) image.jpeg (63.42 KB, 55 views) image.jpeg (54.59 KB, 50 views) image.jpeg (68.69 KB, 50 views) image.jpeg (107.14 KB, 55 views) image.jpeg (200.36 KB, 56 views) __________________ Dan, West Central FL 9a Wishlist- Great tasting dark or light figs with deep red interiors: White Madeira, Craven's Craving, Portugal Black Madeira, Sultani, Violeta, USDA Black Ischia, Dall'Osso, CdDB or CdDB-N

dfoster25

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Posted 1468203921	Reply with quote #2

Contact me in November for cuttings. __________________ Zone 6, SE MICHIGAN -14F 1-7-14 -23F 2-?-15 6F 1-18-16

Figinfever

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Posted 1468204437	Reply with quote #3

Thank you, dfoster25. That's kind of you. I really appreciate it. I will do so then. __________________ Dan, West Central FL 9a Wishlist- Great tasting dark or light figs with deep red interiors: White Madeira, Craven's Craving, Portugal Black Madeira, Sultani, Violeta, USDA Black Ischia, Dall'Osso, CdDB or CdDB-N

Sas

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Posted 1468207911	Reply with quote #4

The fruit looks like my Marseilles on the inside and outside! __________________ Sas from North Austin TX Zone 8B Wish list: Becane

Figinfever

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Posted 1468209626	Reply with quote #5

Positive ID then. Looks like my cultivar list is growing. Thanks, SAS. __________________ Dan, West Central FL 9a Wishlist- Great tasting dark or light figs with deep red interiors: White Madeira, Craven's Craving, Portugal Black Madeira, Sultani, Violeta, USDA Black Ischia, Dall'Osso, CdDB or CdDB-N

tennesseefig

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Posted 1468214707	Reply with quote #6

Definitely White Marseilles! __________________ Micah 4:4But each one shall sit under his vine and under his fig tree, with no one to make them afraid, for the mouth of יְהוָה of hosts has spoken. Zone 7a, wanting: JH Adriatic, Smith, Strawberry Verte, VdB, RdB

bamafig

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Posted 1468233492	Reply with quote #7

Are we sure it's not Italian honey? __________________ zone 8 4 (local) Celeste, Papa John, LSU Purple, Green Ischia, Brunswick, italian honey, BT, Panache, Deanna, LSU Black, O'Rourke Wish list: Chicago Hardy, VDB, RDB

coolmantoole

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Posted 1468235352	Reply with quote #8

The thing that gets me is why do the big box nurseries do this? Seriously, they grow thousands of the same thing. You would think they would bother to figure out what that same thing is, or at least stick a name on it that is close. God bless. Marcus __________________ Marcus

Figinfever

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Posted 1468235768 · Edited	Reply with quote #9

I think it's White Marseilles because of the stem, the fig shape, and the ridges outside the fig. It tastes more sugary than honey, not that sweet or thick. I have 3 more fruits on the tree so will update as they ripen. Bamafig, what are the characteristics that make you suspect it to be an Italian honey? __________________ Dan, West Central FL 9a Wishlist- Great tasting dark or light figs with deep red interiors: White Madeira, Craven's Craving, Portugal Black Madeira, Sultani, Violeta, USDA Black Ischia, Dall'Osso, CdDB or CdDB-N

Figinfever

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Posted 1468236470	Reply with quote #10

Quote: Originally Posted by coolmantoole The thing that gets me is why do the big box nurseries do this? Seriously, they grow thousands of the same thing. You would think they would bother to figure out what that same thing is, or at least stick a name on it that is close. God bless. Marcus From what I've read here on the forum, mislabels and misidentifications are common. I tried from three sources because I was concerned with wasting time, effort, and other resources on an incorrect cultivar. At least one should be right. Apparently, 3 is not enough. Green Ischia is supposed to be easy to get and is an underrated fig with rich flavor - a perfect fig for a newbie like me to acquire and grow. That was my reasoning. __________________ Dan, West Central FL 9a Wishlist- Great tasting dark or light figs with deep red interiors: White Madeira, Craven's Craving, Portugal Black Madeira, Sultani, Violeta, USDA Black Ischia, Dall'Osso, CdDB or CdDB-N

bamafig

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Posted 1468283823	Reply with quote #11

This is a picture of italian honey from Dave: __________________ zone 8 4 (local) Celeste, Papa John, LSU Purple, Green Ischia, Brunswick, italian honey, BT, Panache, Deanna, LSU Black, O'Rourke Wish list: Chicago Hardy, VDB, RDB

bamafig

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Posted 1468284347	Reply with quote #12

Another pic via saxonfig: apparently there is a debate about the varieties marseille/lemon/blanche/ italian honey/latarulla etc. So, who knows... __________________ zone 8 4 (local) Celeste, Papa John, LSU Purple, Green Ischia, Brunswick, italian honey, BT, Panache, Deanna, LSU Black, O'Rourke Wish list: Chicago Hardy, VDB, RDB

Figinfever

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Posted 1468286679	Reply with quote #13

And I thought got this was settled? Back to Unknown - possible Marseille/lemon/Blanche/Italian honey/ Latarulla. So I accidentally step into another variety debate. Arggg..." Who knows..." And a shrug is going to be my favored saying. : ) I guess sometimes you gotta take a step back and laugh at the absurdities of life. Bamafig, thanks for letting me know. If you're still looking for CH and VdB when figs go dormant and have not found a more proven source than me, contact me. I might have cuttings with the way my tissue culture CH and VdB grow and fruit. My sources were Hirts and Wellspring. But with my luck, I don't want to be definitive and say they are true to variety until they ripen and are verified by the forum. __________________ Dan, West Central FL 9a Wishlist- Great tasting dark or light figs with deep red interiors: White Madeira, Craven's Craving, Portugal Black Madeira, Sultani, Violeta, USDA Black Ischia, Dall'Osso, CdDB or CdDB-N

tennesseefig

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Posted 1468297746	Reply with quote #14

Your fig is definitely White Marseilles, the problem is that this fig did very well in various places before being brought to North America. The Italians call it Italian Honey, I read once where someone even said that this variety is also grown in Israel as a native tree known as B'yadi. So yeah you could call this one by a few different names but it is definitely the fig that is called White Marseilles and Italian Honey. This is one of the few trees that can be identified easily by leaf pattern alone. However the inside interior is unique and also a dead giveaway. So far I have only tasted one of these and it was bland. However I know that this variety does very well and is one of the varieties grown by Thomas Jefferson. __________________ Micah 4:4But each one shall sit under his vine and under his fig tree, with no one to make them afraid, for the mouth of יְהוָה of hosts has spoken. Zone 7a, wanting: JH Adriatic, Smith, Strawberry Verte, VdB, RdB

Figinfever

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Posted 1468321140 · Edited	Reply with quote #15

Thanks, Tennesseefig. The taste on mine was nutty and sugar sweet, with no other tones. Interesting fact about it grown by Thomas Jefferson. I didn't know that. __________________ Dan, West Central FL 9a Wishlist- Great tasting dark or light figs with deep red interiors: White Madeira, Craven's Craving, Portugal Black Madeira, Sultani, Violeta, USDA Black Ischia, Dall'Osso, CdDB or CdDB-N

JMRTSUS

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Posted 1468957293	Reply with quote #16

I heard on some site a few months ago that the wally world Ischia was actually a White Marseilles. I had one in a pot that did not make it thru the winter so I bought 2 of them. I have had 3 figs from one tree and all were a pale yellow outside with almost pure white inside and brown crunchy seeds. Not super sweet but could have used a few more days to fully ripen. So I also am convinced they are WM which is ok as I have had some that were outstanding. The Jefferson story is a nice opening to discussing white figs with those that think all figs are purple and have dead wasps inside! __________________ Ooltewah, TN (SE TN) Zone 7a LSU figs.....Purple, Gold, Tiger, Champagne, O"Roark and Improved Celeste. Need Hollier and Scott's Black. (GEAUX TIGERS!) Brown Turkey, Celeste, Condradia, Chicago Hardy, Ischia Green, Italian Black, Kadota, Lil Miss Figgie, Lil Ruby, Olympian, Black Bethlehem, Panache, Jelly, Petite Negra, Texas Everbearing, Violette de Bordeaux, White Marseille, Yellow Long Neck, Desert King, Ronde de Bordeaux, Violetta Bayernfeige, Holier. And very rare, top secret "unknowns" AKA as Lost tags! Plus vaguely described figs such as "Louisiana Brown", "Ashlan Unknown" and "LA Yellow".

Figinfever

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Posted 1468959207	Reply with quote #17

Quote: Originally Posted by JMRTSUS ...The Jefferson story is a nice opening to discussing white figs with those that think all figs are purple and have dead wasps inside! LOL. Or it must taste like fig newtons, and they don't care for them. The more I dig into the archives and read of multiple named cultivars, mislabels, same cultivar but different leaves/fruit shape/fruit interior, etc...the more I want an orchard of every type to differentiate for myself if they are the same, similar or totally different. Hopefully, my next few WM will be as excellent as your outstanding ones. __________________ Dan, West Central FL 9a Wishlist- Great tasting dark or light figs with deep red interiors: White Madeira, Craven's Craving, Portugal Black Madeira, Sultani, Violeta, USDA Black Ischia, Dall'Osso, CdDB or CdDB-N

Figinfever

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Posted 1469585947	Reply with quote #18

Follow up report- Unknown White Marseilles picked a couple days ago tasted like a young cucumber with light sap. It was drooping and shriveled and changed to almost yellow. Maybe it was too hot and ripened too fast. Has anyone experienced this taste with any figs whether Marseilles or another? __________________ Dan, West Central FL 9a Wishlist- Great tasting dark or light figs with deep red interiors: White Madeira, Craven's Craving, Portugal Black Madeira, Sultani, Violeta, USDA Black Ischia, Dall'Osso, CdDB or CdDB-N

tennesseefig

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Posted 1469634310	Reply with quote #19

I picked one yesterday, it was delicious. I didn't really detect a cucumber taste. I tasted a very light but very pleasant honey flavor. I would have taken a picture but honestly it wasn't that big or that beautiful. However it struck me as a good tasting fig that I am happy I have. My White Marseilles plants are young but seem prolific. For me this fig is a definite keeper. I did eat a breba from one of them a while back which had a bit of a melon type taste and was very bland. However the main crop seems much better. __________________ Micah 4:4But each one shall sit under his vine and under his fig tree, with no one to make them afraid, for the mouth of יְהוָה of hosts has spoken. Zone 7a, wanting: JH Adriatic, Smith, Strawberry Verte, VdB, RdB

snaglpus

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Posted 1469634677	Reply with quote #20

Yeah, that's a White Marseilles! It's a good fig! __________________ Dennis Charlotte, North Carolina/Zone 8a

Figinfever

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Posted 1469636806	Reply with quote #21

Okay. Maybe mine is a bit young so the flavor is all over the place. Will see how it does the next season. Thanks Tennesseefig and Dennis. __________________ Dan, West Central FL 9a Wishlist- Great tasting dark or light figs with deep red interiors: White Madeira, Craven's Craving, Portugal Black Madeira, Sultani, Violeta, USDA Black Ischia, Dall'Osso, CdDB or CdDB-N

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