snaglpus
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Some may not agree, but Brown Turkey figs are excellent quality down south. Why? Because for many many years, that's all we've ever had until Celeste came along and then many others. Whenever I find a nursery in my area, I ask to see their figs. Nine times out of 10 they have nothing but Brown Turkey. In the past 6 or so years, I've learned that there are different types of Brown Turkey fig trees. They are: 1. Southern BT 2. English BT 3. Vern's BT 4. California BT 5. Texas Everbearing 6. HM's BT So my question is...What is the difference between these 6 figs? Here is what I know. Number 1 & 2 are basically the same except for the size and oozing at the eye. I use to think my English BT was a plan on BT until a forum member told me to take a second look. And yes, they were correct. The tree in my orchard is an English BT. See pic below. The figs are fatter than the Southern BT. Vern's BT. Now, I do not have this fig. If anyone does, please post pics of figs and leaves. I would like to see the difference. California BT. We get these during the summer months at Costco and Tradder Joes. I've tried them many times but they pick them when they are not ripe and the figs taste horrible. This is one reason why most people do not like figs. They think all taste like this. Texas EB. From what I've read, this tree is similar to BT. Does anyone have this tree for comparision? Please post some pics if you have time. Hanc Matties's BT. I do not have this fig but I think my coworker does. About 2 months ago, she brought me some figs from her mother's tree. They were brownish red, had the shape of an Improved Celeste with a nice very sweet red center. The figs were medium in size. Her mother got the tree many years ago and is just beautiful. I saw a picture a few days ago where Leon posted a picture of his HM BT. It looked very simiular to it. So, having said all that....Will the real Brown Turkey please stand up! I would love some cuttings from a Texas EVB and HM BT some day for my research. Comments? Cheers!
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hey dennis - you should ask jason...i seem to recall he had a soft spot for the BT family
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Yeah, I know how many folks feel about brown turkey figs.....but some folks do even though them won't admit it. An elderly gentleman and I had a discussion about brown turkey figs. He said when you grow up eating something as a kid, when you grow old you want those memories back. I'm just seeking guidance and understanding.
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Is there such a (real BT) monster out there?!
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Dennis I appreciate someone trying to clear this up . I have a large fig which was recently identified as a brown turkey by some members but when I went to look up brown turkey the size and other features did not match . It was then narrowed down to CALIFORNIA BROWN TURKEY by Herman2 and its a match.Thanks for clearing this up .... John
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hello Allen, do you grow all these brown turkeys? being new to figs this year i didn't know there were that many different brown turkeys. i have one but it has not fruited for me yet, so i can't judge it's taste. it seems to not get good ratings by most. reading your post, you seem to give very good rating. why is this? is it because it's a common fig? i would think if it taste good, that's all it would matter. as i said i'm new and just asking questions. good health, luke
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Yeap john, you got a CBT.
Allen, Thank you for this information. I love it! Adding it to my notes.
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Dennis, thanks so much for this thread. It cleared up a lot of confusion - including a thread I had recently posted trying to figure out which BT Monrovia's Brown Turkey actually was. But there has also been a lot of confusion about the southern and English BT's. It's great to see that cleared up too. Super job!!
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@John, see this thread: http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post?Letdown-...-another-BT-5398318 Yours is more "dead ripe" than the one in that thread. If I'd have picked about 5 days later, it would've looked like yours. With that said, I can tell you that your BT probably ripens the breba crop about 3-4 weeks later than the Monrovia BT. Not sure about the main crop. The fig pictured in the thread I just linked is a breba fig.
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Alan, great cataloging, but you have not answered the most pressing question regarding this fig...why it is called Brown Turkey.
Any ideas? I have a theory but I would like to know if you've found anything in your research.
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The first 3 figs I ever bought here in USA (circa 1988) were a BT, TE and Celeste.
The Celeste I almost discarded because it was so Tiny (fruit).
Now I call it my Tiny Celeste.
Both the BT (Brown Turkey) and TE (Texas Everbearing) turned up to be the
same exact fig which I thought was a BT. Being fig naive, I came to that conclusion
b/c the fruit was brownish, lobed-sided and looked like the annual Thanksgiving
turkey dinner that my wife used to cook (no kidding!).
Later I learned that the word "Turkey" stands for the "country" and not for the "bird"!
Nowadays my (olde) BT/TE fig is known as LongBrownHoney.
It resembles a Brunswick, but definitively is not a Brunswick or a BT.
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The problem is that Brown Turkey is very commonly mislabeled by nursery and growers who try to ID unknown varieties. Here's a Brown Turkey that I recently found that bears really big fruits. It makes two crops, the brebas are even bigger.
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Dennis, You can add Walker, Black Jack, Texas Blue Giant, etc. They are all BTs. Since I have about 2 dozen Celestes, and they are all clearly Celestes, but the fruit varies between them I could easily rename them as Southern Celeste, Eastern Celeste, Jumbo Celeste, Pink Celeste, Blue Celeste, Brown Celeste, Grand Celeste, Celeste Francais, JV Celeste, etc. but it wouldn't really make any of them anything other than a Celeste. Ditto for all the BTs. I do choose to propagate only 3-4 of my Celestes because that have proven to be better performers. Same thing with Mission / Black Mission. I have some that are barely edible (not including the ones that are mislabeled BTs) and one that is fabulous, and a range in between,
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Man, you guys take some awesome pictures of your figs! Good job! I have a passion for figs. The UCD trip opened my mindset about them. I think the literal name of this fig...Brown Turkey, make people frown. It's not fancy enough for some to want it. Most folks I've talked to in my area did not know there was more than one type of fig. When I show them pictures and give them some figs, they were surprised. At least I am educating them. Jon, makes a very good point. I believe there are several names of the same common Brown Turkey even though the figs and leaves may differ depending on the zone, climate, weather, and yes fig wasp. I don't know why it is are called Brown Turkey. However, I believe over the years people started changing the name (not knowing it was a Brown Turkey because Aunt Betty grew one for years and never knew what it was and gave them a cutting from it) even though their figs were a little bit different in flavor, taste, size, in ground or pot. Welcome to the life of Figs, huh! I think the same goes for the different strains of Black Mission and Celeste as Jon stated. Over the years, I started collecting Celeste, Black Mission and Brown Turkey figs keeping notes on how they perform, the taste, size, weather, watering, and population of figs for a given year. I will continue my research. Thanks to all those who commented. Have a good day! cheers,
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Dennis here is my english brown turkey pics taken at different times this season just so you get an idea how the same plant can produce different looking figs with the same awesome taste. Sorry couldn't resist these last two figs and ate them before I could take pics. I will be picking a few more tonight will post pics tomorrow.
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I just had 2 BT from Harris Teeter yesterday. after reading your post, I'm wondering what kind did I eat.. hm... It taste OK, not as good as the unknown fig on my street. But it made me think that I like smaller fig. Anya
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Dennis, I dug up a picture of three Brown Turkey types (if Bayernfeige Violetta is an English BT). Clockwise from left top is Monrovia Brown Turkey, Bayernfeige Violetta, and Robin Brown Turkey. The Monrovia was a little small at only 2 1/4 inches long (48 grams - 1.7 oz.), and the Robin Brown Turkey was also small at only 7 grams (.25 oz) - the Brown Turkeys in the second picture are mostly 15 grams (.5 oz). Are the relative sizes in the ballpark for California BT, English BT, and Southern BT?
This picture shows the Robin Brown Turkey (top) a little better, with Celeste (bottom). Does this look like your Southern BT?
Thanks for this thread.
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Fignut, Robin Brown Turkey looks like the Southern Brown Turkey. How does it taste? Hey those Celeste figs look awesome!!! I want some of those cuttings!
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I got a TX E from a local man and I got a BT from JF&E. They both turned out to look identical to each other. Leaf shapes even the variations of them, the shape they wanted to grow in and, this year, the fruits of both were identical to each other in size, shape and blah taste. They reminded me of a shadow of a Celeste in taste. They looked just like the BTs shown in fignut's post with the Celestes at the bottom of it. So far, nothing I've seen has looked like my grandparents' figs, so maybe they were some other kind of fig tree altogether, although I would like to see a true Maryland BT photo of both the fruit and tree. noss
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Man, this is an extremely interesting thread. My tree labeled as a BT (from a big box's garden center) has not had a fig anywhere as big or as tasty looking as many that ya'll posted pictures of. Mine are probably the size of bigger than a quarter but smaller than a half dollar and better than insipid tasting. Gotta find some of those biggies! I especially like the looks of that one Bass has!
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Here is my Monrovia Brown turkey not sure why this particular fig was so flat but it was the only one with this shape last season. But quite large 160 Grams this fig weighed. Some of the figs last year would start to mold at the eye before the fig was even ripe.
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I bought about 40 different fig trees from a guy 2 weeks ago.
He had one that he called 'Turkish' so I said 'Oh Boy! Another Brown Turkey.'.. I mentioned it to him and he didn't seem to think it was but I had my doubts.
But one ripened the other day and seemed to be the size of a celeste but lighter in color.
They are about the size of a nickel. Taste is hard to describe. Not that sweet but not figgy. Heavy taste for a small fig.
I don't think it's a flat taste because it's still lingering in the mouth 3 mins later. Maybe a light tasting Sal's ( gene) type. I have to evalute it more.
Rain is interfering with proper ripening. I found this one on the ground. May have needed an extra day of ripening.
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Wow, Dominick! How do you find time to care for so many trees? Would love to see pics of your forest.
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Dennis, if you go One Green World's Website you can see what a Vern's Brown Turkey looks like and a little information about it. This is where I bought my VBT. I also have a Brunswick fig tree. The leaves of the VBT and the Brunswick look similar, but to me the fruits are different. The fruit of my VBT are smaller and redder than my Brunswick. Vern
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Cause I'm Insane! LOL
I couldn't resist all the figs since the price was good and the chance for unmentioned varieties from Portugal, Italy, and Turkey was too great. I think I already may have a few gems.
We shall see.
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Well I am convinced that there are many different strains of Brown Turkey figs. I wouldn't worry Noss; someone will post pictures of the BT you're looking for. Caneyscud, your tree is probably a Celeste. Nelson, a buddy of mine has a HUGE plant nursery in Mt Holly, NC, about 15 mins from Charlotte. He is hooked into Monrovia and sells their products. Every year he gets these huge BT fig trees from California. They are beautiful but like I told him....I can't see myself paying $80 bucks for a brown turkey. He said if they don't sell, he throws them away. Your BT looks strong and healthy. Dominick, your fig looks like Celeste too! Thanks Vern, I'll look into them. Cheers,
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Same guy who gave me Turkish gave me Celeste. Celeste was much more sweet and purplish. But I won't say it isn't Celeste because he had nothing marked. He went around and just went that's ..um -Italian.. Um Celeste.. um Turkish. But we went around several times and kept saying this one was Turkish.
But I too thought this looked like Celeste but definite taste difference from the other Celeste Trees he had.
Ah oh well
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Thanks Alan! I'm gonna get a few.
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brown turkey's man they makes my head hurt....for what its worth this is what mine looks like...Its was labeled Brown Turkey...but you know...what does that really mean?
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There are many that disparage the Brown Turkey, to you I say, Okay. Brown Turkey and Celeste are both premier "gateway figs" in that they are responsible for a lot of people being involved with figs. In every hobby there are elitists that believe that if it isn't the "Best", or the most sought then it is of a lower or lesser class, to which I say "Male Bovine Scat"! Taste, as beauty is in the eye/palate of the beholder. In closing, there are many variables that affect the taste of figs/fruit/veggies, too many people are okay with the taste of the Brown Turkey for it to be a cultivar issue.
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Proud to be Elitist.
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Dominick, where did you pick up so many trees?? is the source still available (I'm somewhat local)? Happy New Year to all!!
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No he was selling his whole collection. For the price I paid I don't feel like I got my money's worth. There were a bunch of Brown turkey's and Celestes that he thought were all different.
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Ok, thanks Dominick. I should've bought more from the guy I bought my trees from. I'll look him up this spring to see if he is selling more.
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Any more thoughts on Sweet George or Bayernfeige Violetta?
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At Lsu Saturday I couldn't hardly tell the difference from their celeste and southern brown turkey.
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My Sweet George is not a brown turkey. I have 2 plants; one is in the ground and the other is in a pot. Both have a sever case of FMV and honestly, I'm surprised they are not dead yet! Both stay outside every winter. Both die to the ground and come back every year. The figs are Ok....nothing to jump and down about.Bayernfeige Violetta is not a brown turkey either. Mine are in pots and come second it the sweetness fig category right behind White Triana. Ryan, I completely agree with you! In the past pics I've seen posted here, to me they look identical. BUT here in Charlotte, our SBT is completely different in color, texture and taste to Celeste. Here, our Celeste is small and redder (not sure this is a word). Our BT is softer, medium size, brown has a amber center. They are sweet but not sweeter than Celeste. The water gets muddier when you throw in Texas Everbearing! But the leaf pattern of TEB clearly shows the difference.
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Dennis, My Sweet George (Marius) is one of my most vigorous growers with little to no signs of FMV. Have one in pot and just put one in the ground. This year will be the first year for me to really try the figs. Had ONE last year, and it was good. My B.V. just went into the ground. Was not impressed with the fruit last year, but it was young, it looks to be suffering from slight FMV.
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Greg, I'll have to contact Marius and buy one of his airlayers.
As for the photo in my original post. It's definately not a Brown Turkey. That fig was so good that if I only had that tree, i'd be more than happy! I located the owner and set some air layers. The tree took a big hit from our 5 degree weather over the past 2 years. Half of it died but I will make sure the tree lives on. I took some photos of it but they are over 1M.
In an update, I do have 2 Vern's Brown Turkey and Tilsbury Turkey. They are excellent tasting figs.
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There was a ton of great info in this thread and it seems like some fine collectors of BT! I recently found a fig tree that ive been told was English Brown Turkey but im unsure and was hoping someone may be able to give me a little more information/ advice as to which variant if any it could be. The tree itself is relatively large, maybe 15-20ft tall with the same size spread. Lots of low sprawling branches a few inches off the ground, incredibly fast rooter, decent sized figs and leaves that are 12"x12" or larger. It is unfortunately a tree that is in a public place so most of the figs are pulled before they are ripe so its hard to get a ripe fig pic but I did get a pic of a fig that was on its way to being ripe. Any thoughts on A. Is it a BT? B. If yes what kind might it be? Its located in Coastal North Carolina. For size reference, that bag is a 1 gallon ziploc.
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Hi Louneo, Those leaves are not of BT from Europe. It is something else.
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Can there be any wonder there is confusion? These leaves and figs were all pulled at the same time this morning from my BT. It has different leaf shapes, fruit shapes and sizes all on the same tree. It is about 15' tall and tends to grow very long branches that hang low. I know it isn't grafted since I got it as a small tree of around 1' tall and nearly every branch has this type of leaf variety.
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Last 2 posters have California Brown Turkey not English BT. CBT is same as Genoa Black.!
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Herman, may I ask what about our posts makes it look like they are CBT / Genoa Black? Im having a hard time locating much information / description of CBT and obviously my leaves dont look anything like the last posters leaves so I am wondering if its a fruit similarity or what it could be. Thank you a ton for the help! -Lou
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If you buy a pound of fresh California BT from Costco,or Sam, BJ, or other store that sell fresh fruits you will find out why your fig is CBT. I had ,a few times ,but no more because they harvest fruits half ripe so no full flavor. English BT is not purple ,is Just that, Brown ,orange on outside ,and light pink inside. Your fruit looks nothing like the true English BT above. And here is ,typical California BT fresh fruits for sale,as advertised: Of course they are half ripe ,when ripe they are purple all over,unlike English BT.
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Thank you so much for the photos and the explanation. Im visual so its much easier for me to understand and try to learn something about BT with a little evidentiary photography attached :) Thank you again.
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Mine do not have an open eye like those.
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arachyd : Good observation? If your fruits are 45 grams or less,your fig is LSU Purple. If your fruits are 60 grams or more,then your fig is California B T When fully ripe Weigh the ripe fruits and come back let us know.