New Black Madeira FIg Source?

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SuperMario1

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Posted 1466360131 · Edited	Reply with quote #1

I am pretty new to fig collecting, and I only have a couple little Pretos to compare it to (no UCD BM or KK BM), so it is too early to tell. However, this little plant looks promising. I'll keep y'all posted as things develop but hopefully she it what I think she is. If not, hey I got another unknown, which I'm always good with. The guy is from Portugal and said this was his favorite variety so if anything it should be a tasty fig. Thought I'd share. Some of the leaves are goofy because it got really hot and bright all the sudden when the leaves were starting to come out. It is already pumping out a lot of little figlets. So far no indication of FMV, but I've got a lot of it in my yard so.... __________________ Wish list: Galicia Negra, Violetta, Violette de Sollies, Dan_la's Black Beauty 10, Craven's Craving, Most important: YOUR FAVORITE FIG. A lot of people put emphasis on popular/exotic cultivars, which is great because it highlights some of the better fig varieties; however, I am most interested in the figs our members love regardless of pedigree. Currently Growing: a bunch of varieties.

figpig_66

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Was it expensive with shipping? __________________ RICHIE BONI HICKORY LOUISIANA ZONE 8B WARM HUMID WINRERS ARE VERY MILD LOW 20'S BUT WARMS RIGHT UP DURING THE DAY. SUMMER IS EXTREMELY HOT & HUMID 100 degrees 100% humidity fig tree grow like crazy but some split from rain & humidity Wish list. Col de dame blanc Col de rimada Lsu numbered figs

SuperMario1

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Posted 1466367285 · Edited	Reply with quote #3

Not really. I'll keep an eye on this one and see how she does, but so far it is looking a lot like my Pretos. __________________ Wish list: Galicia Negra, Violetta, Violette de Sollies, Dan_la's Black Beauty 10, Craven's Craving, Most important: YOUR FAVORITE FIG. A lot of people put emphasis on popular/exotic cultivars, which is great because it highlights some of the better fig varieties; however, I am most interested in the figs our members love regardless of pedigree. Currently Growing: a bunch of varieties.

Rewton

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Posted 1466386501	Reply with quote #4

Mario, it looks promising. What is this fig variety called in Portugal? __________________ Steve MD zone 7a

SuperMario1

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Posted 1466388163	Reply with quote #5

Thanks Rewton. The guy had no name for it so that doesn't help much. Time will tell. Maybe its a just a BT lol... which I wouldn't mind so much. __________________ Wish list: Galicia Negra, Violetta, Violette de Sollies, Dan_la's Black Beauty 10, Craven's Craving, Most important: YOUR FAVORITE FIG. A lot of people put emphasis on popular/exotic cultivars, which is great because it highlights some of the better fig varieties; however, I am most interested in the figs our members love regardless of pedigree. Currently Growing: a bunch of varieties.

lampo

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Posted 1466407738	Reply with quote #6

Quote: Originally Posted by SuperMario1 I am pretty new to fig collecting, and I only have a couple little Pretos to compare it to (no UCD BM or KK BM), so it is too early to tell. However, this little plant looks promising. I'll keep y'all posted as things develop but hopefully she it what I think she is. If not, hey I got another unknown, which I'm always good with. The guy is from Portugal and said this was his favorite variety so if anything it should be a tasty fig. Thought I'd share. Some of the leaves are goofy because it got really hot and bright all the sudden when the leaves were starting to come out. It is already pumping out a lot of little figlets. So far no indication of FMV, but I've got a lot of it in my yard so.... Congratulations for your new fig! Need to be careful now not to contaminate it with that fmv Francisco Portugal

Smyfigs

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Yes, do kerp us posted, Mario. Exciting! How old is it? __________________ Meg-Hardiness Zone 10a Looking for... Socorro Blk Wuhan Jolly Tiger Lamperia Preta Herschtetten St. Jean Black Ischia "The best way to show my gratitude is to accept everything, even my problems, with joy." ~ Mother Teresa "Do not pass by a man in need for you may be the hand of God to him." ~Proverbs 3:27~ "He performs wonders that cannot be fathomed, miracles that cannot be counted." ~Job 5:4

SuperMario1

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Posted 1466450823	Reply with quote #8

Smyfigs, I got it over the winter so it is still a baby. It took a while to break dormancy, but when it did it put on some good growth. Not the most vigorous plant in my yard, but not a dud either. Fransisco, Yea, I definately want to keep this one FMV free. Everything with FMV is in a different location from my non-FMV plants. Fig Hugs* __________________ Wish list: Galicia Negra, Violetta, Violette de Sollies, Dan_la's Black Beauty 10, Craven's Craving, Most important: YOUR FAVORITE FIG. A lot of people put emphasis on popular/exotic cultivars, which is great because it highlights some of the better fig varieties; however, I am most interested in the figs our members love regardless of pedigree. Currently Growing: a bunch of varieties.

SuperMario1

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Posted 1468278740	Reply with quote #9

Whatever it is, it sure is productive. __________________ Wish list: Galicia Negra, Violetta, Violette de Sollies, Dan_la's Black Beauty 10, Craven's Craving, Most important: YOUR FAVORITE FIG. A lot of people put emphasis on popular/exotic cultivars, which is great because it highlights some of the better fig varieties; however, I am most interested in the figs our members love regardless of pedigree. Currently Growing: a bunch of varieties.

Figinfever

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Posted 1468287498	Reply with quote #10

I hope it is true to variety and we have another FMV-free, more robust version. Good luck! __________________ Dan, West Central FL 9a Wishlist- Great tasting dark or light figs with deep red interiors: White Madeira, Craven's Craving, Portugal Black Madeira, Sultani, Violeta, USDA Black Ischia, Dall'Osso, CdDB or CdDB-N

VeryNew2Figs

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Posted 1468288800	Reply with quote #11

Is it usual for such a young plant to have so many figs on it so early? The plant is, what? 6 months old or 8 months old? __________________ Cheryl Chicago, Zone 6a (That's what they say, but it still feels like 5) Growing: Hardy Chicago, Black Mission, Brunswick, Kadota, Ischia Green, Desert King, Osborne Prolific (slow but steady), Malta Black, Violette de Bordeaux, Texas Everbearing, Beall, White Adriatic, Nolo Pink Eyed Lady. Rooting: Ronde de Bordeaux, Celeste, Nero 600 m, Violetta Bayernfeing, Marseilles Black VS, Celeste.

drew51

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Posted 1468289395 · Edited	Reply with quote #12

I have a variety from Portugal that also is small and put out a lot of figs. Craven's Craving, which was offered here. This one is not Black Madeira. Although it looks like it. __________________ Drew Zone 5b/6a Sterling Heights MI

figgary

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Posted 1468289566	Reply with quote #13

Looks very similar to my Violeta. __________________ Gary in CA 9A Seeking: Bebera Branca*, Colonel Littman's Cross

VeryNew2Figs

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drew51: Nice plant...and I see your garlic in the background ;-) __________________ Cheryl Chicago, Zone 6a (That's what they say, but it still feels like 5) Growing: Hardy Chicago, Black Mission, Brunswick, Kadota, Ischia Green, Desert King, Osborne Prolific (slow but steady), Malta Black, Violette de Bordeaux, Texas Everbearing, Beall, White Adriatic, Nolo Pink Eyed Lady. Rooting: Ronde de Bordeaux, Celeste, Nero 600 m, Violetta Bayernfeing, Marseilles Black VS, Celeste.

joann1536

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Posted 1468303037	Reply with quote #15

Leaves look like my young Black Madeira plants. A little off the topic, but those leaves look very similar to the UNK Calderwoods that I have, but they've not yet had figs, so no idea what they'd be like. If anyone has both, are they similar? __________________ USDA Zone 9b Wish list: Abruzzi, Pasquale, Tagliacozzo, Zingarella, Godfather. Any unk Italian, especially from Abruzzo.

Figinfever

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Posted 1468322360	Reply with quote #16

It would be interesting to see if they all are related/the same once the fruit ripens on all of them. If it is Violeta, like Gary's, then it isn't bad either. I saw on another thread where Lampo said Violeta is the ancestor to Figo Preto and Black Madeira, correct me if I remember wrong. Joann, please post pics of your unknown Calderwood if you can. If it turns out that all these figs are Violeta, then we will have multiple sources of a fig in the class of BM and FP. __________________ Dan, West Central FL 9a Wishlist- Great tasting dark or light figs with deep red interiors: White Madeira, Craven's Craving, Portugal Black Madeira, Sultani, Violeta, USDA Black Ischia, Dall'Osso, CdDB or CdDB-N

eboone

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Posted 1468325566	Reply with quote #17

Unk Calderwood does have some spade like leaves, most feel it is LSU Tiger, was found as an unknown in Houston area. My Tiger and Calderwood look identical, should both have figs first time this year. __________________ Ed Zone 6A - Southwest PA --------------------------- Short wish list: CDDG, LSU Red, Dark Greek (Navid), Col Littman's Black Cross. And any cold hardy early fig.

SuperMario1

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Posted 1468325952 · Edited	Reply with quote #18

Thanks for the feedback. I'll definitely post more once I have some ripe fruit. I think that the leaves do look like Violetta and Cravens Craving too. However, so far, the fruit is more rounded like BM or Unk Calderwood, but we will know more when it ripens. If I had to guess right now, I'd say it is not BM but a close relative. The main reason why I think it may not be is because of the early fruit production, which may also be partially explained by preventing dormancy over winter. While the leave shapes, shape and number of fruit, and growth habit look like a BM I have noticed one thing different about the leaves. I know it is a young plant, but the very tips of the leaves are generally pointed, while Bm and Preto have more rounded tips on the leaves. It is an enigma at this point but I am excited to know more. Drew, do you have any ripe fruit pictures of Craven's Craving? __________________ Wish list: Galicia Negra, Violetta, Violette de Sollies, Dan_la's Black Beauty 10, Craven's Craving, Most important: YOUR FAVORITE FIG. A lot of people put emphasis on popular/exotic cultivars, which is great because it highlights some of the better fig varieties; however, I am most interested in the figs our members love regardless of pedigree. Currently Growing: a bunch of varieties.

drew51

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Quote: Originally Posted by SuperMario1 Drew, do you have any ripe fruit pictures of Craven's Craving? No, I will post when I do. I'm looking for an early Portuguese fig that will produce in short season areas. Hoping Craven's Craving will ripen in time, and produce early every year. Preto and BM are not great here without a greenhouse, or under lights. That photo is about a month old, the plant is progressing nicely. Craven's Craving is reported to have good tasting figs even when ripened in the cold. We will see, or maybe not? If a late ripener I will probably still keep it under lights, maybe? No point in making a decision till I know. Please keep us posted on this one too, as it might solve my problem also! Oh also no signs of FMV so far. And where I live the mite doesn't exist to spread the disease, although one never knows if local aphids or whatever will make a good vector or not? __________________ Drew Zone 5b/6a Sterling Heights MI

tsparozi

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Bump.... Mario, how is the new baby progressing in the last month? Tony __________________ Tony S - Zone 6A Carmel, NY WL-Ischia Black (UCD/USDA), Martinenca, Calderona, Victoria, Craven's Craving, Colonel Littman's Black Cross, Bon Jesusa, Sant Martina, Princesa, Paretjal Negra

Figgyme

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Posted 1472179758	Reply with quote #21

Here is it

tsparozi

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Lol.... did I loose the thread somewhere? I knew this was going to happen one day and I'd never be able to find my way home again.... @Figgyme could you please elaborate on your 'here it is'... not sure as to the context... Tony __________________ Tony S - Zone 6A Carmel, NY WL-Ischia Black (UCD/USDA), Martinenca, Calderona, Victoria, Craven's Craving, Colonel Littman's Black Cross, Bon Jesusa, Sant Martina, Princesa, Paretjal Negra

Figgyme

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Quote: Originally Posted by tsparozi Lol.... did I loose the thread somewhere? I knew this was going to happen one day and I'd never be able to find my way home again.... @Figgyme could you please elaborate on your 'here it is'... not sure as to the context... Tony I have heard from a fig grower, this tree is on Australia. There was 1 family move from Portugal many years ago and that family take their precious fig cuttings from Portugal and grown in the new land. Since that tree grow fast due to hot climate but still dominant.

SuperMario1

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Quote: Originally Posted by tsparozi Bump.... Mario, how is the new baby progressing in the last month? Tony Doing well! It gave me one fruit so far, which I promptly gobbled up without photographing. When it gives another I will post some pics. Hint: I think y'all are in for a surprise with this one! haha Figgyme: Is your name Mario too? __________________ Wish list: Galicia Negra, Violetta, Violette de Sollies, Dan_la's Black Beauty 10, Craven's Craving, Most important: YOUR FAVORITE FIG. A lot of people put emphasis on popular/exotic cultivars, which is great because it highlights some of the better fig varieties; however, I am most interested in the figs our members love regardless of pedigree. Currently Growing: a bunch of varieties.

tsparozi

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@SuperMario1 - Mario, if you have opportunity, please also post pictures of tree... would love to see how it grew.... Thanks, Tony __________________ Tony S - Zone 6A Carmel, NY WL-Ischia Black (UCD/USDA), Martinenca, Calderona, Victoria, Craven's Craving, Colonel Littman's Black Cross, Bon Jesusa, Sant Martina, Princesa, Paretjal Negra

SuperMario1

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Quote: Originally Posted by tsparozi @SuperMario1 - Mario, if you have opportunity, please also post pictures of tree... would love to see how it grew.... Thanks, Tony Will do. The tree is tiny, but it has like 15 figs on it. __________________ Wish list: Galicia Negra, Violetta, Violette de Sollies, Dan_la's Black Beauty 10, Craven's Craving, Most important: YOUR FAVORITE FIG. A lot of people put emphasis on popular/exotic cultivars, which is great because it highlights some of the better fig varieties; however, I am most interested in the figs our members love regardless of pedigree. Currently Growing: a bunch of varieties.

SuperMario1

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Sorry for the spelling error in the pic. Francisco, feel free to help identify this one. __________________ Wish list: Galicia Negra, Violetta, Violette de Sollies, Dan_la's Black Beauty 10, Craven's Craving, Most important: YOUR FAVORITE FIG. A lot of people put emphasis on popular/exotic cultivars, which is great because it highlights some of the better fig varieties; however, I am most interested in the figs our members love regardless of pedigree. Currently Growing: a bunch of varieties.

Smyfigs

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Gorgeous black outside! And really pretty inside too! __________________ Meg-Hardiness Zone 10a Looking for... Socorro Blk Wuhan Jolly Tiger Lamperia Preta Herschtetten St. Jean Black Ischia "The best way to show my gratitude is to accept everything, even my problems, with joy." ~ Mother Teresa "Do not pass by a man in need for you may be the hand of God to him." ~Proverbs 3:27~ "He performs wonders that cannot be fathomed, miracles that cannot be counted." ~Job 5:4

tsparozi

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Posted 1474091443	Reply with quote #29

Mario! Wow... Beautiful black outside and light / amber inside.... Looks like it was worth the wait.... Congratulations and enjoy! T __________________ Tony S - Zone 6A Carmel, NY WL-Ischia Black (UCD/USDA), Martinenca, Calderona, Victoria, Craven's Craving, Colonel Littman's Black Cross, Bon Jesusa, Sant Martina, Princesa, Paretjal Negra

SuperMario1

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Posted 1474116402 · Edited	Reply with quote #30

Thanks guys. Until its properly I.D. I'm calling it "Portuguese Black and Tan". Its a large semi-sweet fig with a light nutty note. It is a unique tasting fig with leaves and fruit production amounts very similar to Black Madeira. I think originally it may have been a seedling from a BM due to the similarities, but that is just a guess. I was hoping Francisco could offer some help with I.D since he knows a lot about the Portuguese varieties. I'll get some more pics of fruit later. __________________ Wish list: Galicia Negra, Violetta, Violette de Sollies, Dan_la's Black Beauty 10, Craven's Craving, Most important: YOUR FAVORITE FIG. A lot of people put emphasis on popular/exotic cultivars, which is great because it highlights some of the better fig varieties; however, I am most interested in the figs our members love regardless of pedigree. Currently Growing: a bunch of varieties.

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Lol.... did I loose the thread somewhere? I knew this was going to happen one day and I'd never be able to find my way home again.... @Figgyme could you please elaborate on your 'here it is'... not sure as to the context...Tony

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Lol.... did I loose the thread somewhere? I knew this was going to happen one day and I'd never be able to find my way home again.... @Figgyme could you please elaborate on your 'here it is'... not sure as to the context...

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Lol.... did I loose the thread somewhere? I knew this was going to happen one day and I'd never be able to find my way home again.... @Figgyme could you please elaborate on your 'here it is'... not sure as to the context...

Tony