Your Winter Grow Room Setup

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TheASTrader

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Posted 1477440990 · Edited	Reply with quote #1

I was considering using a cheap garment wrack like the one below and hanging a shop light from it on chains to use as a grow room setup for cuttings--perhaps a plastic sheet to keep temp regulated in my mild winter climate. I'd love to see how you all are set up. Feel free to share pics. Thanks! __________________ USDA Zone 10a & 8b Wish List: Bebera Branca, Ischia Black and as many else I can fit.

cjmach1973

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Posted 1477442416	Reply with quote #2

I use 72x48x18 shelving with LED bulbs both indoors in a spare room for delicate baby plants, and the same shelving in a 8x8x7' plastic and wood room in the back of my garage for less delicate plants. I was able to get the shelving for about 25 dollars less on ebay than at Lowes or H Depot. Sometimes you can get lucky and find shelving on craigslist.

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Posted 1477442486	Reply with quote #3

Shop lights (fluorescents) need to be within inches from the leaf canopy.

DomGardens

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Posted 1477444026	Reply with quote #4

Great thread topic, I was just about to research this, brought in 6 pepper plants for the freeze here in NJ. __________________ Dom Figventory Spreadsheet @DomGardens domgardensitaly@gmail.com 609-457-6825

Porfirio

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Posted 1477447475	Reply with quote #5

Quote: Originally Posted by KK Shop lights (fluorescents) need to be within inches from the leaf canopy. Yes usually 1 inch up __________________ Rio Zone 5 Montreal Canada

TheASTrader

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Posted 1477448366	Reply with quote #6

The interesting thing about that garment wrack is that the top bar moves all the way down to the darker part of the vertical bars. Easy height adjustment. I'm thinking that $12 wrack and 2 of these $9 LED flood lights? Duct tape some reflective $1 Mylar blankets together and you've got a party--a fig rooting party. :) https://www.amazon.com/Waterproof-Outdoor-Lights-Halogen-Equivalent/dp/B008XZAQDU/ref=sr_1_20?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1477438842&sr=1-20&keywords=led+shop+light __________________ USDA Zone 10a & 8b Wish List: Bebera Branca, Ischia Black and as many else I can fit.

Woodville

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Posted 1477488173	Reply with quote #7

Quote: Originally Posted by DomGardens Great thread topic, I was just about to research this, brought in 6 pepper plants for the freeze here in NJ. Look into T-5's they are great for growing indoors. I'm going to try L E D's this winter also. __________________ ~Steve zone 6b~

pverdes3

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Posted 1477491156	Reply with quote #8

My wife loves IKEA so 99% of our stuff comes from them. My winter setup consists of an IKEA IVAR shelf combination that holds my seedlings / cuttings on long trays for easy watering and old IKEA desk lamps from the kids with full spectrum LED grow lights. The entire shelf is in front of a window and I have of 2 shelves placed at proper distance for propagation and experiments. I also ordered some heat pads from ebay and banggood.com to put under the clear rooting cups for bottom heat. Hope this helps.-g __________________ Gabriel - Hungary - zone 6b/7a Wish list: Izbat an Naj, Ice Crystal, Tashkent

ADelmanto

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Posted 1477607629	Reply with quote #9

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/show-us-your-setup-7928778?&trail=25 __________________ https://www.facebook.com/From-The-Ground-Up-403313193085649/

tinyfish

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Posted 1477609484	Reply with quote #10

Here is my grow room in action. At the top of the picture is the 800w equivalent Cob Led light in the red housing. The light spectrum is missing alot of the green and yellow which is why its a redish light.

EB18702

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Posted 1477653138 · Edited	Reply with quote #11

i would recommend you guys into this DIY light thing to get a light meter and compare your project light output vs something you could probably just have bought with better light output. those clown lights(red blue) are really supplemental lights. the top guys in indoor lighting are moving away from that idea. research has come out debunking that whole plants need only red blue light. the red blue light thing came out of a study nasa did trying to grow plants in space. a few years ago i spent months researching indoor lighting. i also have knowledge in electronics so this helped me see through a lot of marketing. i have shop lights which do work for young starts if placed within inches. after a few weeks the shop lights weren't cutting it. i have moved up to hps and MH. really glad i did. the light meter doesn't lie!! if your really set on using LED lights, i suggest checking out spectrum kings youtube page. you can learn a lot there. __________________ Growing: DK, VdB, Brown Turkey, Hardy Chicago, Black Mission, Verte, Negronne, Natalina BI, U. Italian Yellow BI , U. Yellow Greek AD, U. South Plainfield, U. Orangeburg U. Carini RG, Rooting: Prosciutto, Naples Dark, Azores Dark, Columbaro Nero, De La Tira, I376, Des Roig Manyo, Greek Church U. Wishlist: ANY PEACH OR PLUM SCION PLEASE PM ME. Smith, any in ground figs for zone 6. Erik zone 6A northeast Pa

ADelmanto

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Posted 1477662984	Reply with quote #12

EB18702. Is there a light meter you recommend? What is the optimum level for figs? Is the level different for other plants like vegetable seeds? __________________ https://www.facebook.com/From-The-Ground-Up-403313193085649/

SCfigFanatic

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Posted 1477668077	Reply with quote #13

EB18702, your about 15 years behind technology on indoor growing and what is the best alternative for artificial lighting. You also need to read the whole link provided in the led light build. That will teach you the difference in what your using compared to LED's and compared to what your spending in electric bills. Then you can learn what spectrum the plants really use. Doug __________________ South Carolina zone 7b-8 Part time member since 10/1/2012

bullet08

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Posted 1477672110	Reply with quote #14

i just keep mine by the south facing window in a largd bin with a cover. did that for 4 yrs and success rate wasn't too bad. main problem was the moisture control and what to do once the cuttings have enough roots for 1 gal. i keep my house above 70 in winter so temp wasn't an issue. no fancy lights and things. __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

SCfigFanatic

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Posted 1477672822	Reply with quote #15

theAStrader,, you are only getting 10 watts of LED power. Not really much it will help. You need more wattage. Doug __________________ South Carolina zone 7b-8 Part time member since 10/1/2012

tinyfish

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Posted 1477704544	Reply with quote #16

My plants have only been under the led a short while but they seem to like it. The plants have a nice colour to the leaves and are starting to make figs. Here is one picture I took of the figlet to compare to later.

chucklikestofish

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Posted 1477746223	Reply with quote #17

Quote: Originally Posted by tinyfish My plants have only been under the led a short while but they seem to like it. The plants have a nice colour to the leaves and are starting to make figs. Here is one picture I took of the figlet to compare to later. ~wow that looks awesome ~ __________________

TheASTrader

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Posted 1477892566	Reply with quote #18

Quote: Originally Posted by SCfigFanatic theAStrader,, you are only getting 10 watts of LED power. Not really much it will help. You need more wattage. Doug Thanks for the input! How much wattage should I be looking at? __________________ USDA Zone 10a & 8b Wish List: Bebera Branca, Ischia Black and as many else I can fit.

SCfigFanatic

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Posted 1477930679	Reply with quote #19

100 watts is a start. kk showed a 100 watt led for $39.99 I would go that route. Doug __________________ South Carolina zone 7b-8 Part time member since 10/1/2012

EB18702

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Posted 1478103111 · Edited	Reply with quote #20

RE: Is there a light meter you recommend? What is the optimum level for figs? Is the level different for other plants like vegetable seeds? With the light meter i would suggest to start with any cheaper one. for $40 you can measure basic LUX and fc (foot candles). i have this one https://www.amazon.com/Dr-Meter-Digital-Illuminance-Light-LX1330B/dp/B005A0ETXY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1478100698&sr=8-1&keywords=light+meter believe it or not these measurements alone will teach you a ton. just getting this part correct will give you the most results compared to trying to change light spectrum's. light spectrum meters are more costly. you will notice less benefit from playing around with spectrum. most people dont get the basic steps correct and are worried about light spectrums. once you get your meter take some measurements of your grow room, house, and dont forget from the sun. try to mimic the suns output lol. seedlings and small plants dont need the intense light of full sun. this is why we have success using shop lights. once plants get bigger or start fruiting they require a lot more intense light. you dont have to get all scientific. get the basics right and you will have success. place your lights proper distance, provide enough light lux, proper temperature, and water, ect. to give a specific answer on how much light, i haven't tested that. but i do know if shop lights are placed under 3 inches I dont get stretching. if I place the lights about 1 foot away i get stretching. once seedlings veggies mature past 8-10 inches of growth, i tend to get stretching regardless of light distance using shop lights. noticed about the same with fig cuttings after 2 months. re:EB18702, your about 15 years behind technology on indoor growing. hps/mh have been used for years with great results. i trust in this proven technology. i dont believe im 15 years behind. there are very few company's producing led lights that can match what the old mh/hps lights can do. i only use them a few weeks a year so the less efficient lights dont bother me. i benefit from the extra heat they produce in the winter time. comparing hps vs led can lead to a whole debate. my views follow what this company is doing. no clown lights. https://www.spectrumkingled.com/ . these guys have a youtube channel showing meter measurements of some of the top brands in the indoor grow light industry . anyone wanting to learn a bit about leds and different companies marketing scams check them out. they grow (other plants) and show results! this is one of the few company showing TESTED results using there lights vs others. i think the white full spectrum leds are the way to go but its a lot of work or money acquiring a good setup. i spent about 150 bucks for an adjustable 300-450-600 watt ballast and lighting setup. this will do everything i want and more. from what i remember testing at 300watts i get a 4x4 area producing the same as what a full row of crammed shop light(probably 10 fixtures of 20 bulbs). i do have some numbers but i think there packed away with my lights. on camera you cannot tell really how bright these lights are, even 300 watt from a mh. you will need some type of grow room, sun glasses. __________________ Growing: DK, VdB, Brown Turkey, Hardy Chicago, Black Mission, Verte, Negronne, Natalina BI, U. Italian Yellow BI , U. Yellow Greek AD, U. South Plainfield, U. Orangeburg U. Carini RG, Rooting: Prosciutto, Naples Dark, Azores Dark, Columbaro Nero, De La Tira, I376, Des Roig Manyo, Greek Church U. Wishlist: ANY PEACH OR PLUM SCION PLEASE PM ME. Smith, any in ground figs for zone 6. Erik zone 6A northeast Pa

SCfigFanatic

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Posted 1478104558	Reply with quote #21

"hps/mh have been used for years with great results" True they work. So why are they being replaced with LED lighting? Operating cost. The growth rate does not change if the plant is getting the light it needs. You pay $40-60 a month to run a 300 watt mh 14 hours a day. I pay $5-6 per month per 100 watts of LED lighting. Slight difference. Doug __________________ South Carolina zone 7b-8 Part time member since 10/1/2012

EB18702

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Posted 1478105986 · Edited	Reply with quote #22

what are you paying a kilowatt. that seems way off. your using 1000 watts for your numbers, remember use 300 watts thats 1/3 a kilowatt. 1 kilowatt is 1000 watts an hour.so divide your number by more than 3 and your right. $13-$20 . not to mention i know i am getting a lot larger footprint. so depending if your rooting 1 plant or a few dozen. i dont have a problem with that because paying to heat a room to 80 plus degrees would cost me way more. so the heat by-product benefits me greatly. depending on your needs hps/mh is great. i agree operating costs over time are more. not that much for me over the time im using them. .10 cents a kilowatt 16 hours a day x 60 days there are plenty of companys ppl still using/ making hps/mh. problem with leds there are a ton of new company in the market because the leds are produced very cheap in china and they can selll them for a huge markup in the usa. the pot industry is filled with shady companies buying products for pennies putting them in a bottle and jacking the price. that industry is driving the indoor growing products. __________________ Growing: DK, VdB, Brown Turkey, Hardy Chicago, Black Mission, Verte, Negronne, Natalina BI, U. Italian Yellow BI , U. Yellow Greek AD, U. South Plainfield, U. Orangeburg U. Carini RG, Rooting: Prosciutto, Naples Dark, Azores Dark, Columbaro Nero, De La Tira, I376, Des Roig Manyo, Greek Church U. Wishlist: ANY PEACH OR PLUM SCION PLEASE PM ME. Smith, any in ground figs for zone 6. Erik zone 6A northeast Pa

SCfigFanatic

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Posted 1478108041	Reply with quote #23

I have used a 400 watt MH for years, I know what it cost to operate. I know what I used to pay, just like I know now what it is costing me. Just because I have LED lighting is not the reason I feel the need to defend it. Just because you have MH running at 4000k spectrum does not make it the best choice either. Personally I do not care what you use. I will never go back to MH, especially beings I sold if after building a few LED'S. Its all personal choice, if your stuck with MH, use it. Doug __________________ South Carolina zone 7b-8 Part time member since 10/1/2012

tinyfish

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Posted 1478897564	Reply with quote #24

Quote: Originally Posted by tinyfish My plants have only been under the led a short while but they seem to like it. The plants have a nice colour to the leaves and are starting to make figs. Here is one picture I took of the figlet to compare to later. Here is the progress with the Black Maderia. These are the other plants in my grow room

SCfigFanatic

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Posted 1478899878	Reply with quote #25

I just put all my figs and dragon fruit in a closet that now has 2- 100 watt warm white LED's. I also have 120 watts of the red/blue led grow lights. The closet stays between 78-80 degrees with the lighting and heat being moved with fans on the led lights. This is my best artificial lighting set up yet. My plants will see no sun until March. I have been taking a picture every 3 days to track progress. It will be fun to watch the plants thrive under LED lighting through out the winter. Doug __________________ South Carolina zone 7b-8 Part time member since 10/1/2012

tinyfish

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Posted 1478901788	Reply with quote #26

Quote: Originally Posted by SCfigFanatic I just put all my figs and dragon fruit in a closet that now has 2- 100 watt warm white LED's. I also have 120 watts of the red/blue led grow lights. The closet stays between 78-80 degrees with the lighting and heat being moved with fans on the led lights. This is my best artificial lighting set up yet. My plants will see no sun until March. I have been taking a picture every 3 days to track progress. It will be fun to watch the plants thrive under LED lighting through out the winter. Doug Sounds like the plants will love the set up.

SCfigFanatic

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Posted 1478904289	Reply with quote #27

It's amusing at least. here are a few pictures. IMG_20161111_163409 by Doug B, on Flickr IMG_20161111_163403 by Doug B, on Flickr My camera shows a blue hue, not visible to the eye. Looking in the closet all you can see are the white color light. Weird. Doug __________________ South Carolina zone 7b-8 Part time member since 10/1/2012

tinyfish

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Posted 1478908796	Reply with quote #28

Quote: Originally Posted by SCfigFanatic It's amusing at least. here are a few pictures. My camera shows a blue hue, not visible to the eye. Looking in the closet all you can see are the white color light. Weird. Doug Our plants will get a good head start for next year.

SCfigFanatic

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Posted 1478913476	Reply with quote #29

oh, yes. These same trees will try to produce next summer. They will get the entire spring, summer and fall to establish a good root system in the ground. It gets them off to a good start. Doug __________________ South Carolina zone 7b-8 Part time member since 10/1/2012

SCfigFanatic

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Posted 1479231998	Reply with quote #30

IMG_20161115_122613 by Doug B, on Flickr the same "was" dormant figs IMG_20161115_122639 by Doug B, on Flickr Plumeria with flower buds starting under a warm white led 100 watt. IMG_20161115_122629 by Doug B, on Flickr IMG_20161115_122649 by Doug B, on Flickr Dragon fruit shoots. I love my LED lights. just cheap Chinese led's still running after 4 years on the one fixture with 2- 50 watt led's. Colored led's are 5 years old. Good enough, especially for all I had to pay for the leds. And they work just like day 1. Doug __________________ South Carolina zone 7b-8 Part time member since 10/1/2012

tinyfish

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Posted 1479255040	Reply with quote #31

Very nice Doug. One of my figs that was dormant is now starting to leaf out in my grow room so I pinched the top hoping for some side branches. I hope that was a good move.

SCfigFanatic

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Posted 1479257208	Reply with quote #32

Personally I like to let it all grow, then pinch the tops for side branching after it is full of leaves.. I'm sure you will be fine. It may stunt growth temporally. Good work. It is fun, if nothing else. Doug __________________ South Carolina zone 7b-8 Part time member since 10/1/2012

tinyfish

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Posted 1479261862	Reply with quote #33

Quote: Originally Posted by SCfigFanatic Personally I like to let it all grow, then pinch the tops for side branching after it is full of leaves.. I'm sure you will be fine. It may stunt growth temporally. Good work. It is fun, if nothing else. Doug Opps...I guess I just learned something, good thing spring is still a long ways away.

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