I today pick up my first Zingarella fig this year.. Taste was good, but little bit watery, 2 days of rain, no split, look good. Yesterday I pick up a fig I got from Ebay New Jersy, was smaller, but taste was I think better, very sweet and figgy..
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Nice looking small fig. Mine is not even close to fruiting. Thanks for posting those pictures.
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Hi, Dan! Actually I think this one will be biggest one:-) I today pick up Celeste and this one was small:-) I see two other Zingarella may be ready over week or so, but I think they will be smaller. So, so far I do have 3 figs this year.. I do have many on trees, but they still not ready.. I check today and Fracazano may be ready over couple days 2 of them.. Strange before this rains what come in last 3 days I don't see Fracazano will ready to pick up soon.. This year they are bigger then last, still smaller then Zingarella.. I do have one big Magnolia still green and one big Conardia, still very green.. Can't wait to see if I will see bigger figs then Zingarella.. I make my husband try New Jersy, Zingarella and Celeste.. He like most Zingarella.. Even my husband don't like figs and all:-) I real like taste of New Jersy, but I pick her up before the rain.. This one was wtice smaller then Zingarella, but have a very strong taste, if I can say so..
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I am not familiar with the New Jersey fig. However, Conadria is a big fig compared to Celeste. Let us know how it tastes in your garden.
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Last year I got on Ebay fig , owner call this fig New Jersy.. This is dark fig and red inside, almost size half from Zingarella.. Taste is sweet, may be even too sweet and have a very strong fig taste.. I do have more on a tree..I will make a pics next time.. About Zingarella..My tree may be 30 inch tall..I now account I do have 34 figs on it..Interesting how many will actually ripe..
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Olga: They will all ripe if they are now on. I would take extra care for this fig,because it has fig mosaic virus,as it came from California Grower,and so it needs more pampering but in Florida I am sure it will have easier life. Rest assured it will have much better tasting fruits from now on. The first fruit is most time bad to mediocre tasting.
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Hi! I got this Zingarella from you:-) I'm don't saying taste was bad..I just thinking because of a couple days of rain taste was kind watery, still a very good taste.. I don't have mosaic virus on this one, but I do have other problem with leaves, but hopefully I know what to do with this one.. I'm very happy with this fig, last year I had a few figs on this one, but this year size was much bigger and taste much better... But I agree..I will keep this fig inside for a winter time again.. I real don't want to loose this one..
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[QUOTE=Olga]Last year I got on Ebay fig , owner call this fig New Jersy.. This is dark fig and red inside, almost size half from Zingarella.. Taste is sweet, may be even too sweet and have a very strong fig taste.. [/QUOTE]
I do have Vernino, still no fruit on this one.. I will make a pics of New Jersy.. This one fast grower..Last year I got a very small plant may be 6-7 inch tall, Now this like 3 feet tall and have few figs on it.. Actually earliest one..For me.. I read about some people real like smaller figs, saying taste is better.. I always try to get big figs..But.. actually I try bring almost all what I can and just try with time to decide which one I need to keep and which one need go.. I guess in different climate, humidity, soils, water figs will taste different.. I only can say..I'm glad many varieties doing good here.. Some..I just keep loosing them over and over again..They just don't like here and all.. Also this forum a huge help and I think not just for me.. Without it..I will never get where I'm now.. And I still try to study everything I can and try to experiment too..
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Olga:Your Zingarella had Fig mosaic virus when I sent it to you. Also Older mother tree has it here, this year too. If your tree grows very well and do not have distorted leaves, that makes me wonder if My tree here has Fig mosaic virus,????,or stress????,that comes from the reason that is not adapted to my climate,yet????. This tree had originated from Richard Watts ,in southern California,and may very well be stress , of being used with warm ,mild climate,and all of a sudden,a cutting from that tree(which have the same adaptation as the old mother),is planted in a much colder,much challenging climate!!!!. I am convinced this phenomenon have to be studied farther trough communication between grower living in different climates,and far apart . I am sure we are on about to find out a new secret about adaptation. It might very well be that Ischia Black,which is the most difficult to grow here,in the north east ,and infested with fig mosaic virus,might grow just fine and strong in your climate.
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Herman, Olga, I also have the Gypsy fig from RW, new for this year. It appears heavily affected with FMV. All leaves are very small and deformed with the normal "splotches" you see in FMV infected plants - there are many leaves on my young tree, but they are so tiny. I can take a picture in the evening.
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Jason:I edited my post,so now here it is above,Olga statement ,made me wonder a lot,what I am doing wrong????
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Hi! I can't say about last year for sure, but this year around January I remove all old soil from the plant, because of the last year nematodes problem.. So, I was re planting all plants to be sure they are healthy.. I was keeping this fig inside for a winter time, so after I re plant and put outside.. And I live in Florida so plant was inside only when was cold.. Most time plant was outside.. Plant start show normal leaves and give a new grows.. I put in pots 10-10-10 fertilazer plus lime, over couple weeks I cover pots with pine bark.. Over 4-5 weeks I put more lime, because my water from a deep well and very salty.. So, I never saw a mosaic virus on this one..I did on other plants..Now they all doing better.. New soil this is profeccional mix Jangle growth, plus Miracle grow pit moss plus perlite.. I see after I put plants in this mix they start grow better.. And fertilazer and lime and pine bark.. which I now know a vitamin C must be help plants with mosaic virus.. And I did have one small Nero this still have a nematodes and plants was don't grow and all, after re planting, fertilizer, lime and pine bark this one now look very good, double in size and look very healthy.. Last year I did have many plants with nematodes..I don't get rid off any of them.. Most survive and now healthy.. So, I think now I don't scare about nematodes any more..I know I can deal with it, Yes, this is take time and some money I guess, but plant can be safe and healthy after all..
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Sorry, Zingarella actually never got nematodes, same with Jordanian Zragi and few other.. So, this is a very good plant for places which may have nematodes.. About mosaic virus I read on forum fertilazer and lime usually help with it..
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[QUOTE=Herman2]Jason:I edited my post,so now here it is above,Olga statement ,made me wonder a lot,what I am doing wrong???? [/QUOTE]
For me, the posts appear in correct order. I am not sure what is the problem. If I read the thread from top to bottom, the order makes sense to me.
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Hello Olga,
Those are nice pictures. This is one reason why this forum is so good. We all get a chance to report how a certain fig is doing in certain locations.
Herman, There appears to me a lot of confusion when it comes to the different figs growing in America. I think one of those reason there is so much contradicting information is the fig it's self.
I'm starting to wonder from my own trialing of figs here is that whether or not most figs have some strain of Mosaic virus.But, do not show it unless they are stress, especially if stressed by cold.
In the spring of 2010, I received a big beautiful fig plant of, Kathleen's Black. I grew that plant in a pot all summer and it was a very strong growing plant, that ended the season with a lot of growth and showed absolutely no signs of any type of Mosaic virus.
So, that Fall I planted it along with Danny's Delight, Hardy Hartford, and Sal's El, in the ground, bent them to the ground and cover each with about 4 to 5 inches of soil. last winter was one of those very cold winter for us. It got down to minus ten degrees Fahrenheit here. Danny's Delight, Sal's El, and Kathleen's Black suffered about 50% die back from the winter cold, although they were covered with soil.
Hardy Hartford was the smallest plant planted, and suffered only about a 5% die back. All of the above plants have completely recovered, except for Kathleen's Black, and showed absolutely no signs of any Mosaic virus. Except for Kathleen's Black. It is stunted and shows a very bad case of Mosaic virus.
It seems to me the Kathleen's Black was doing fine until it was exposed to our very cold winters.
Is it possible that fig plants like people come down with a viruses when they are exposed to cold winter conditions???
It seems to me some fig plants react very quickly to change. in soil and climate. then when you exposed them to cold, dormant viruses are able to get a hold over the plants immune system, while a plant right next to it completely recovers?????????
Just my two cents.
Bob
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Bob Your theory make sense. Sooo:All fig tree cultivars have the virus inside them ,in dormant stage. When exposed to stress,all of a sudden the virus waKES UP AND START HURTING THE PLANT. This is very "Possible" in my opinion but we need a doctor of science of medicine,to agree with us
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I compare FMV to that lip-cold-sore (a benign virus) that many
people tend to show/suffer from, when under some physical stress,
e.g., flu, etc...
[for figs, FMV mostly-clearly shows up while (stressful) being rooted-up]
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I got my Zingarella as well from Herman.
I have little to no FMV. Though the lack of good weather (warm temperatures and too much rain) has stunted it's growth. I pinched the terminal bud up top and it put out 5 branches. But all the branches are only between 3 and 5 inches.
No sign of any figs to form. Would be too late for up here anyway to ripen. Still small tree. Around 20-24 inches tall. Maybe some next year.
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I have two potted Zingeralla trees that I rooted from cuttings that came from another source than Herman2 or Richard Watts. I don't recall seeing any signs of FMV on either one of them. Both are heavily stressed right now due to our severe drought and heat wave. I'll check them later to verify.
The stress theory makes lots of sense to me. However, I still do not buy into the theory that ALL fig trees have FMV that is waiting to manifest itself (i.e. dormant).
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Hi, Dan! I think most varieties may have FMV.. And when plant strees or weak this will show up.. This is like with people all people have for example staphylococcus, and normally this don't show up, but when immune system down this may show up, or some other illness .. I was reading about nematodes and they saying if plant adult or in a very good health less likely will get sick with nematodes..I do have Katheline Black.. Very healthy, big plant..Only still no fruit..But may be next year.. I was thinking..My experiment of this year with this soil, fertilization, lime and pine bark..Force figs to have many more figs.. I do planning this week to remove all pine bark from the pots..I think I need to stop forcing them..They will need to get some rest.. All plants done very good, give me lots of new grows, lots of figs.. So, I need to take it easy on them..
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Here is a picture of my gypsy/zingarella tree direct from the RW collection for a very reasonable price - to me, it looks like this suffers from FMV akthough it did end up in heavy sun during its early just-transplanted-from-bareroot life.
I always was extra careful with Zingarella.. So, I will put your plant in some kind shade, like half at list, under the big tree, and I will keep it inside if you do have a cold winter.. I never keep my outside if temperature try go under 55 F... This is kind strange..But figs what suppose to be a cold hardy don't doing very good here.. At list may be I still don't find the way to make them perfect.. I do trying very hard.. I today check my small Caucasus I root from cutting this year..Was very infected with FMV so I put it in spot where son come only in early morning.. This was like 2 weeks from now.. I today check this plant.. look much better.. Here in Florida sun very intense.. Some figs don't like it and all and doing much better in shaded areas.. We went to beach today, spend may be a hour..Now I look like I got baked, skin very red and I guess I will in a lot of pain later.. So, my poor plants get hit with this sun from early morning till almost 7 PM.. I do have problems with leaves because of this sun.. I almost wish summer will be gone like today...
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Supposedly there is a pain reliever you can take after being in excessive sun which will stop the effects of sunburn in its tracks.
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Thank you! I hope I will survive:-) I real don't like to take any pills and all.. But I real do worry about plants..
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Olga Olga you must be careful in sun if your fair skinned, todays sun seems more intense than say 40 years ago. Im olive color type and do not really burn but it seems like i turn much darker than many many years ago i think the suns bad rays are getting worse .
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Martin, I agree with you.. Climat is changing.. Hopefully nature will work it out some how... People can be inside buildings with airconditioners, but plants and animals suffer worst... Now here almost mid night outside 80 F and no wind and all, very humid, hot.. In shade we go over 100 F already for more then a week.. Weather man speak about 80-90.. But in reality here much more hot.. We had here horrible rain..I was thinking I will do not need to water plants for a couple of days..I check next day, plants was completely dry.. Figs lift up they leaves during the day and look more relax after sun go down..All my citrus trees lift up they leaves too.. Only plants in shade look normal.. I have 3 pools for the dogs..I see birds all the time on pools drinking water.. I can't wait when October will come..Sure plants and animals too..
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I got a White Triana and it was dormant when it arrived, but started to bud out and then leaf out after it was planted in the pot. It was kept under the carport for awhile and then introduced to the sun little by little because the first leaves were malformed and splotchy and I thought it was from FMV.
The first few leaves are really distorted and splotchy. The newer leaves have a healthy shape, but were splotchy and then I noticed that the newer leaves started out all green, but then got splotchy.
There is a branch that sprouted out on the back side of the tree and its leaves grew out in a healthy shape and they haven't gotten splotchy, but are shaded by the front part of the tree.
I thought the malformed leaves and splotches meant FMV, but now I'm wondering if it's the sun. Still, the first few leaves were malformed and splotchy before it ever got near any sun. If that branch on the back of the tree never gets splotchy, maybe I should root it and see what happens.
What's good is that the tree is growing well now and getting better every day. It was a nice-sized little tree when I got it and had a thicker little trunk. I sense a lot of energy in it, so I'm hopeful that it will do well.
Olga, You mention Vitamin C for the trees. How do you give the C?
I'm thinking that we need to put shadecloth over our trees.
Are you talking about the leaves on the citrus and figs getting curled up during the day? Is that what you mean by lifted up?
Where in Florida do you live? What zone are you in?
Thanks,
noss
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Hi, Noss! I mean normally on figs tree leaves go almost gorizontally, may be lift up little bit.. Lately figs lift up they leaves very high, so now if you look on a trees almost all leaves staying together almost in vertical position.. I will make pics tomorrow to better explain..I guess this way they awoid get too much sun.. About your tree..I just will feed it when this one will moved in 3 gallon pot with lime and fertilazer and now try keep it in some kind shape.. If you want to give your tree vitamic C..Look in Home Depot or Lowe's Pine bark, just put it inside pot, cover all soil and water it.. I done it so I can prevent soil from over drying and this help prevent nematodes too and other bags don't bother my figs.. But..I think here must be some kind other side effect.. So, now I keep pine bark for may be 2 month and I think I will need to remove it.. I know this may hurt some tree..May be..I just don't want to take a chance.. My friend told me if you boil pine bark in water..You are getting pure Vitamin C in this water..So, may be we can water plants with this boiling water and give plants Vitamin C..Only I think we need to be careful and don't give too much.. May be like 1 time in a month.. I did boil water with this pine barks, water look pinkish.. Also I boil in same water black weeping willow leaves and branches and after this cool off add a honey..I water with this my yoang figs and cuttings which I trying to root, seems like this help plants to get stronger and they don't show FMV like before.. So, I guess Sara experiment and me adding pine bark.. work at list for me.. But I put small amount of this water and I add clear water to it, so this will be not so strong..
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Martin, you are funny, When I was younger I was always very brown, now as older, I have lightened not getting darker, I am lightened to Olive complexion now,(TAN) and sun seems to be getting more intense, Almost florida like in some seasons in this part of Penna.Alessandro is very dark like I was before! Olga, have you received the emails I sent to you before, I had to go to Italia for unexpected trip almost over month stay, this spring. If that was you, It was from OLYA it was signed but I don't know that name, thought it may have been from you but got the Y/G mixed up. I was replying to your email, but never heard anything back. Having this trouble lately. Ciao
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Hi, Noss, I just now make few pics of leaves "standing up"..I just make 3 but many other doing the same
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Noss, I'm very sorry..I forgot to answer you.. I live in Melbourne, Florida.. Close to the ocean.. I love the ocean..But plants, buildings, car don't like it.. Too much salt in air, water, soil..
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Olga,
Wish I could send all my trees to you (FL) every summer, I am sure my trees would love it. At the moment I have no ripped figs yet since it's been cool here lately.
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Hi Olga,
Thanks for taking the time to post photos of the leaves standing up. They sure are! I've never seen that before.
What kind of citrus is that in back of the second photo?
Melbourne. Must be beautiful there. Yes, salt tears up a car and everything else.
Thanks so much,
noss
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Hi, Noss! On second photo a orange.. I plant like 10 when I come here..But taste not good..I just use them for shade..My property standing on old orange grow.. I do have one orange left , one tangerine and one grapefruit left ..Orange and tangerine best I ever eat.. I do have a lemon tree.. Small one..I did have a big one..But people who move on next property..I don't know why..Just cut it.. And this was my property where this lemon grow..So, now I do have one half lemon, half lime.. But, to be honest with you..My friends and family engoy my oranges , not me..I never have time to pick them up.. This happen with mulberry too.. Seems like I always have people here who come to get fruit.. I guess..I will never have too many figs also.. Strange, but no one who I know want to grow they own fruit..They telling me, they just like to get what I grow..
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I thought of this old thread when I read an abstract (link below) of an article in Israel Journal of Plant Science. Scientists conducted an experiment that subjected ficus carica to the environmental stresses of trellising and high temperatures in order to cause the expression of latent FMV. This is exactly the theory that Herman2 and robertharper propose in posts #10, 16, and 17, and it seems to be the scholarly confirmation that Herman2 is seeking.