While driving in Los Angeles, I stumbled upon an interesting sight, a green wild fig (kadota?) growing as a part of a palm tree. The location is on the East side, and the figs are not very ripe.
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Now that's very interesting. Good find!
DesertDance
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Wow! I'd steal a couple cuttings, then take some pictures in a month or two when the fig leafs out!
Very cool!
Suzi
greenfig
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DesertDance, I can mail you some, if you want to. I am not sure about the fig eating quality, it may have some palm aftertaste :)
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Great pictures, I have seen this happen before). If you like wild CA figs, these are pictures I took from a regional park where there are hundreds of wild figs growing (its literally a fig forest).
nullzero, what park was that? Did you look for them on purpose you only see the fig trees only while looking at a forest? I caught myself once or twice on that!
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I saw them from the road, then toured the park... It was pretty amazing how many figs there were growing, easily could be over 1000 growing. I never got to taste the quality of the fruit (competition with animals and timing). These figs disappear fast, the skunks, possums, raccoon, etc. eat them all. I know were several fine specimen trees are.
If anyone lives in SoCal and is interested in getting cuttings, we could plan a little get together on Saturday to collect the cuttings before the trees leaf out. These figs are located at Habor regional park in Carson, CA.
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Wow! That's near Long Beach. Not too far from me. I probably would go, but depends on timing and a day. How would we know which one is which since they are leafless now? I guess, we would need to take the GPS coordinates of each location and go back when the fruit is on and see what we've got :) Totally chasing a wild goose!
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Looks someone like palm tree more..the poor fig was hacked, but it is fighting back with glory! I would love one of those suckers!
lampo
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Fellows, If this is of some help, the only trees displaying figs NOW, are the Caprifigs ! They could be very usefull for some forum members who claim having problems with some fruit not reaching maturity and drying/falling. I would love to see any pictures you may take. Cheers
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[QUOTE=greenfig]DesertDance, I can mail you some, if you want to. I am not sure about the fig eating quality, it may have some palm aftertaste :)[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the offer! I am rooting quite a few cuttings right now, so I will graciously decline! I hope you are able to test drive them yourself and let us know how they taste when ripe! Interesting the figs are there when the leaves are gone. Wonder what type of fig this one is!!
Suzi
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Hmm.. caprifig you say. And yes, I took the pic today, Feb. 21st. It may be possible. I opened one fruit, the color was like light honey, not strawberry.
nullzero
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Greenfig,
Im available on the weekends, Saturday and Sunday. I remember where the trees are from memory. If you would want to get together this weekend or next, tell me. We can go out tag the trees take some cuttings and distribute. When the figs come in this summer, we could then arrange to go back bag some of the figs (to keep the critters off it) and try them.
ForeverFigs
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Great pics...and a very interesting find...where I live we very seldom, if ever, see those types of chance happenings.
greenfig
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nullzero, I'll let you know tonight when I could make it. We should also check when rain is not predicted, this winter is WeT and CoLd (ok, the people East of Nevada, don't laugh! )
greenfig
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nullzero, did you see any black figs in the pack or they were all green? Did you notice different varieties out there or they all looked the same to you?
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Greenfig,
They were all green from what I could recall. However shapes varied from tree to tree. Some were larger, some rounder, some with a little more neck then others, etc. I am sure the original grove was started by a green fig like Kadota, or Excel. These are all seedlings though so the variation for taste is there.
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Francisco (lampo), some of my common figs still have old immature fruit left on them from last year. My wild male (caprifig?) that we talked about before hasn't shown any changes yet. We have still had frost as recent as two nights ago and all of my outdoor figs are very much dormant.
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Harvey, The Caprifig will take mild frost without any great problems... but eventual , abnormal 'heat waves' of April or May are much much worse,...making them behave like Smyrna, i.e., drying up and falling. One has to inspect caprifigs very carefully now, because the emerging crop (profichi) are still very small and may be confused with new leaf buttons. Close up pictures in the vicinity of the Mamme (winter ones) will certainly show them (if they are caprifigs). In a month time the profichi must be sufficiently developped, say at least 1/2 inch in average diameter in order to have emough space to receive the wasps. Francisco
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Francisco, I will take a close up photo of the palmfig branch and a fruit splice tomorrow, maybe you can tall if it's a caprifig or not.
greenfig
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Nullzero, I just sent you a PM
lampo
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greenfig,
If it is a caprifig it will be very similar to the tree and fruit (Mamme) on the attachements. In the pics there are two varieties of caprifigs. When you slice the fig open do not cut through the 'meat',.. rather cut around the skin of the fig receptacle to about 1 or 2 mm deep in order to leave the interior as it is, i.e, showing the small witeish or golden gallflowers inside which there are the wasp larvae. With a powerfull lens you may see through the gallflower skin, the contour of the larvae, in development, one minute beast for each gall. Good luck Francisco
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Please see a sliced fig photo attached. I think it is a bit disappointing though. It is not fully ripe yet and quite small (almost the largest one there). I couldn't see any larvae.
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greenfig,
I think you have a good caprifig of a given variety which I cannot tell you for sure. It could be a Roeding which among the different varieties is the smallest. Size here does not matter much providing it has their galls (distinctly shown on the picture) and apparently not at all empty! These figs do not mature as the edible varieties. In a month time the wasps will come out through the ostiole , loaded with eggs for the new generation of insects, and the green, hard fig you have now, will soften, become yellowish and fall to the ground. I would reccomend that you keep an eye on this tree and to follow the next generation of caprifgs, which most probably have already sprouted close to the fig you have shown on your picture. There may be other caprifigs around that place same es this or of different varieties.
Good luck for the next steps Francisco
greenfig
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Hi Francisco,
Thank you for your insightful explanations! I will keep an eye on the specimen.
lampo
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Greenfig,
Thanks. If I may, I would reccomend you to try and dowload 1901 Gustav Eisen's book: THE FIG: ITS HISTORY, CULTURE, AND CURING WITH A DESCRIPTIVE CATALOGUE.....etc. Around pages 100 to 110... you have a very well laid down description of the caprifigs/wasps, their typical 3 crops and interaction with all other figs. Very good information on those writtings from one of the US 'FigFoundingFathers'. Hope to send you later today pictures showing what local caprifigs look like.
Francisco
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Greenfig, HarveyC
Here the pictures to show what the average Caprifig look like now. The new generation of young Profichi (the green glossy smaller fruit) shooting up now from last year's wood. The dark bigger figs are the winter crop od Mamme. Francisco