Encanto Farms Nursery > Categories > Wuhan vs. Wuhan #259

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greenfig

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I've seen the references to both.
Are those any different or it is really the same "Wuhan" under the slightly different names?

I have 2 Wuhan cuttings in 1 gal pots happily growing but the leaves of the Wuhan #259 I see on eBay from Harvey do not look like mine at all.

Can anybody post a photo of the leaves of a known Wuhan, please?

jake

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[IMG_0728_zpsd69704e0]  .[IMG_0727_zps0a405209]  [IMG_0729_zps2837d6cf] 

Given to me as a "Wuhan", no numbers.

greenfig

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Thanks, Jake!
My leaves look more like on your first picture, with fingers and toothed, no one-lobe leaves so far.
I'll post my photo tonight.

But if placed next to each other, I would say they are different varieties.

HarveyC

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Igor, you've participated in a thread that has discussed this before.  Has fatherhood helped you forget?  See post #29 and following at http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3680681 though the 259 designation isn't used in that thread.  My source was a Texas grower.  Did you get yours from China?

HarveyC

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I don't know where the 259 designation originated but I believe that the leaves like the ones on mine may have first obtained from some collectors in 2006 from the Seed Savers Exchange.

greenfig

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Yes, Harvey, with a baby it is hard sometimes to say which way is up :)  But they grow fast, some 10 years or so and I can spend more time with my figs!  :D

I checked the post you referred to. At that time I didn't have any Wuhans with leaves large enough to compare to, I noticed your eBay listing with the different Wuhan leaves hence the question. Also, although that thread discussed the Wuhan, the '259' was not clarified.

No, my Wuhan did not come from China. The source is in the USA. 

Can you see the leaves following the Chinese link? For me, the page keeps loading but I see nothing.

HarveyC

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Yes, the leaves from the Chinese link are more deeply lobed.  There are several photos, I'll attach one here.
OtherWuhanType.jpg 

HarveyC

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BTW, you passed the test today, Igor, USDA-APHIS will not come for a visit today! LOL

greenfig

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Yes, my leaves look more like those on the photo. Very nice looking leaves, I would say. I hope too see the figlets at some point to compare with what you have.
I should get the other Wuhan for a company for sure. 

Test?.. Oh, man, as if I do not have enough stress, that was sneaky but I have nothing to fear. 

HarveyC

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FYI - Bass, who posted a photo of his fruit in that other thread I linked above, said the leaves on his look similar to mulberry (like mine).

Life is all a test! :)

greenfig

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Cool! Bring one to the Fig Fiesta, if you are coming again.

pitangadiego

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#259 is an accession number from the Figs 4 Fun Collection.

HarveyC

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Thanks, Jon.  Mystery solved...mostly! :)

y626033

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2#it is wuhan,chinese so call "purple china"

HarveyC

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Jon, do you recall if the accessions 0068 and 0151R have leaves similar to 0259?

greenfig

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And what is in the #7, a photo taken from a chinese website?

HarveyC

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Igor, I don't know if your question is directed towards me since I posted the photo in post #7 (since you were unable to view the pages at the Chinese site, maybe need to talk to NSA about that....).  There are several photos of the Wuhan from that Chinese grower and they all appear to probably be the same variety at different stages of maturity, different angles, etc.  There isn't really any commentary other than from folks commenting on the photos.  Bing translator seems to do a pretty good job.  I got a chuckle when I read the translation of "å¤ªç‰›äº†ï¼Œä½ ç”¨çš„ä»€ä¹ˆåœŸï¼Œæ–½çš„ä»€ä¹ˆè‚¥ï¼ Ÿ" to "Holy $hit, what do you use, use of compost?"  The original's poster to this was "March shoots first cutting in wood ash. Until the end of May, transplanting, using paddy soil to bury the waste in the country, on the back, there is no time to bask with, in the soil surface covered ash, then also throw some crushed egg shells on it. Intestinal fat fish cake, rice water the most." (Interesting soil mix!)

The post seems to be about a "potted violet" (translatin of Wuhan, I suspect) in a 24cm wide by 16cm high pot yielding more than 30 fruits.  Description of fruit: "Have harvested more than 10 more, fresh grass aroma, sweet, fine and tender. Seeds are rarely easy to feel, hard products would feel than the strawberry seeds small and fragile, nibble on the teeth it tastes very good. Eating mouth aftertaste refreshing, clean mouth features.

HarveyC

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The photo in post #7 is from the Chinese site about the Wuhan fig.  I don't think anybody here knows much about that.  There are several photos there at different stages of maturity, different angles, etc.  There is not much to explain the purpose of the thread but it appears that the original poster is showing how productive the figs are.  The tree is being grown in a pot 24cm wide x 16" high and was epecting 30 fruitings the same year it was planted.  One person commented about the soil being used and the original poster wrote: "March shoots first cutting in wood ash. Until the end of May, transplanting, using paddy soil to bury the waste in the country, on the back, there is no time to bask with, in the soil surface covered ash, then also throw some crushed egg shells on it. Intestinal fat fish cake, rice water the most."

gorgi

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I did love my (SSE - LA MC R 06) Wuhan fig. Unfortunately, I lost it a couple of years ago.
Recently, I got a free replacement from a member that I was sure came from me;
I think it was johnsvmf & son(s), much thanks.

HarveyC

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Geoge, it looks like a bunch of you acquired it at the same time through SSE :)

http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/fig/msg0213213110548.html

gorgi

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SSE stands for Seeds Savers Exchange.
Apart from the many nice heirloom flower/veggie seeds available online, one
needs to be a paying member to receive their paper-catalog including their woody 'scions',
(figs do not produce true from seeds!).

I did, did buy the (SSE - LA MC R 06) Wuhan fig; and Gene (back in them early good-old fig-days) did get it from me.
And for the record, Gene (initially) did not like the fruit at all ...

greenfig

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Guys,

Here is my Wuhan, it is in a 1 gal pot, growing happily. As I mentioned, the leaves look different.

Harvey, thanks for your translation. It is quite entertaining sometimes to read the online translation results to English.
The Wuhan discussions popup once in a while but they seem to alway end on the same, the fig is nice but we do not know much else..


HarveyC

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Igor, maybe we can trade at the end of the year.  Remind me if you can remember. :)

greenfig

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I will try with no promise ;) I think I should rely on the email reminders , like 'trade with Harvey at the Fig Fiesta' or smth like that! Oh, wait, what year? :) ' I have two 1 gals, both look good at this time.

rcantor

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I have a lot of figs whose first few leaves were single lobed with scalloped edges this year (like those above) and then they changed into more normal lobed configurations.

HarveyC

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Bob, this accession remains that way when mature.

willwall

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Wuhan is a large city in the central part of China. This fig might be brought in from there, thus named after the city. It is the most popular fig variety in China. Its native name is Zhong Zi, which literally means "China Purple". In China, if you ask people about a fig called Wuhan, nobody knows what you are talking about. If you refers to China Purple, everyone understands. This fig can be found everywhere in China, so it might have developed into different strains over the years. I have seen all kinds of leaf patterns on Chinese websites, but one thing is common: the leaves have distinct teeth along the edge, as shown most prominently in the third picture of post #2.

greenfig

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Hmm.. The photo from the Chinese website (post #7) does not have those teeth, although my photos (post #22) do have them.

javajunkie

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Okay, after reading all the threads in this one and the referenced posts and viewing the chinese web site I am more confused than ever. My Wuhan has the teeth and the single lobed leaves but, the leaves are mostly like Igor's when mature.
As it is aging the new leaves are all coming out like Igor's.

Any solid opinions as to what I have?

HarveyC

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I am solidly of the opinion you have figaholism! :)

I'm guessing there may be two strains but when watering my plants last night I noticed one of my Wuhan (#259) had a leaf with lobes.

brianm

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Tami my Wuhan leaves are like yours. Jagged edges

willwall

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I am certain Tami's in post #29 is the real deal. Lately, someone posted on the Chinese website 8 different leaves found on the same branch of a "China Purple":
http://bbs.shuiguobang.com/thread-225116-1-2.html
I am reposting these 8 pictures below:
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javajunkie

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Thank you very much willwall for the additional pictures. I do believe I have all the shapes you posted on my tree.