Didn't get ripe because it is too late in the season but the figs are large and looks nice.
I hope next summer I will be able to taste the real thing .
Anybody has any experience with it?
A very vigorous grower for me, rooted last February and is 7 ft tall now.
Does it go by a different name?
Thanks!

Nice looking fig. Looks good and its not ripe

Yes, sometimes it still goes by its original name "Red Palestine".

EDIT: Also, some have written here on this Forum that Khurtmanni is the same as Red Israel (Red Palestine).

         http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/red-israelred-palestine-khurtmanni-7382248?pid=1290152725

Mine fruited for me. It's a large dark red fig, sweet but not too sweet. it's a keeper for me!

Thanks for the reassurance! I don't think it is going to be red though Is Khurtmani and this one the same fig?

I saw KK selling them on ebay last year and I almost jumped.  Glad to see that it looks promising.

My tree came from KK.

As you guys started discussing the sources , I checked my records . My tree also came from KK.

Mine is also from KK and I've known it as a synonym for Khurtmani but have recently been told that Khurtmani is different, a lighter fig.

 

I asked Herman about this very topic... here's his PM response:

Essentially what he said was that this is Brunswick: http://figs4fun.com/Thumbnail_Khurtmani.html

I haven't tasted either, but I tend to agree, the fruit/leaf patterns are very similar.

And these two links are Red Palestine a different cultivar: http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/1872879/top-5-must-have-fig-trees?n=20
& http://www.raysfigs.com/israel.html

I also recently acquired cuttings of Kk's Red Israel, so now I've also been wondering which cultivar is his... Khurtmani(Brunswick) or Red Palestine. 

Anyway, I hope this helps and doesn't piss anyone off.

-Ross

Photos of the mature leaves: Do they look like Khurtmani leaves?

Hi all. 

Danny Yakir the israely fig expert ("rip") has mentioned in his book both brunswick and khurtmani as separate entities with mentioning the brunswick is partial parthenocarpic and has 5 lobed leaf with deep sinuses.
Regarding the khurtmani he doesent mention the partial parthenocarpi or the leaf structure.

I mentioned Asali several times as a khurtmani synonym in the forum and it seems to my surprise that it is a separate entity (not by far) from Khurtmani too (the interior is red).

Regarding red israel- For sure it is not the khurtmani since it has a red interior (khurtmani has a beige-pink one). it can be an Asali.

I hope we clear this issue up this year.

Eli, Thank you for your explanation ! Would you be able to find any photos of the ripe Asali figs and the leaves? How is it rated and compares to the best Israeli figs? I will definitely update the thread next summer when the time is better.

Pictures courtesy of another collector:
Khurtmani - notice the light interior (same interior as brunswick).

 

Asali (the ant on its way to destination):

 

Eli, Thank you for the photos. I think none of them look like my Red Israel though

Sounds like I should add that to a wish list... hot, dry climate describes Phoenix fairly well.

[QUOTE=OttawanZ5]Yes, sometimes it still goes by its original name "Red Palestine".

EDIT: Also, some have written here on this Forum that Khurtmanni is the same as Red Israel (Red Palestine).

         http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/red-israelred-palestine-khurtmanni-7382248?pid=1290152725[/QUOTE]~is it known by red sicillian too ?

So let me see if I understand this correctly. "Red Israel" is obviously Khurtmani, this I understand.  What I have a hard time with is that Khurtmani is sometimes referred to Brunswick, which in Texas is known as "Magnolia" but sometimes is mislabeled a "Brown Turkey" though it is obvious from the leaf pattern.  So if one could say for sure that they had a Brunswick aka "Magnolia" is it the same to say that they have Khurtmani?  The reason I am confused on this is I have seen beautiful pictures of the Khurtmani fig and it seems very deep red unlike the Brunswick.  Does anyone know the origin of the Khurtmani fig, is it indigenous to the land of Israel?  If not I am to assume that "Red Palestine" is indigenous?  Does "Red Palestine" have alternative names as well?  It seems that all figs have various aliases from region to region.

pls see my post - the juicy red one is the Asali.
I will confirm that Khurtmani is a Brunswick later this year.

Very interesting and confusing thread. How can we make the naming of fig varieties consistent and easy to follow. I guess William could be Bill or Billy or Will or Willy or Junior or Bubba or whatever nickname is given by whomever. I give up.

waynea- for whatever its worth I pledge to put my efforts at clearing the Khurtmani- Brunswick issues.

Thanks so much Eli, I have a Red Israel tree from KK and it is doing very well, it should fruit this year.

Wow, really great looking figs!

Interesting post, I too have this one from KK, no figs yet.

It’s interesting that the pictures show different colored, different shaped figs. Could the breba be a different color from the main crop?

Harvey’s picture shows "Red Israel/Red Palestine" as a long, black fig that is ripe in mid July, so it’s probably a breba. The brebas of Brunswick on the Varietal Info site show a light colored fig with reddish to purple stripes. If the real Khurtmani is, as Harvey says, a lighter fig, and also equal to Brunswick, then what we all have from KK is something else?

 Below are pictures of my first “Red Israel/Red Palestine” ? fig (via Igor via KK). It’s a main crop, 10/24/15, pollinated.  It looks like the unknown Israeli fig below from http://bethmichelle.com/shrimp-bacon-and-figs-with-goat-cheese-quinoa-drizzled-with-fig-balsamic/. Does the sign in the picture give its name?

      

  Unknown Israeli fig

I asked my friend to translate, here is what he said: It reads: "Figs Honey Israeli (Probably because they were grown in Israel) Half Kilo (Price) 5.99" It doesn't mention the fig's variety name. The word "honey" is usually mentioned in the Israeli market in relation to figs to emphasize their sweet flavor.

i got my Red Israel from KK via Harvey. it is a great fig. I told Harvey it was a keeper. It is the most productive of all my trees thus far, with the caveat that some of my other fig trees are still not validated or verified. The taste is not the sweetest, but the aroma and complexity are awesome.

As elin and harvey mentioned, the khurtmani (khortmani) is not Red Israel. This is guaranteed and validated and verified by family and friends who lived in Israel. It was an overwhelming consensus when they saw my ripened Red Israels - all agreed it was not khurtmani.  if you want to "view" the real Khurtmani (khortmani), Mr. Sami Kassoum occasionally has a picture of it on his ebay site. As Elin also verifies, its interior is a light beige color, with a tint/hint of red.

I think the figs pictured from the market are roxo de valinhos/black brazilian ( a brown turkey relative). Due to the pulp void in the red israel variety i would too suggest they look the same. Please compare with cbt: http://www.treesofantiquity.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=225

[QUOTE=AltadenaMara]

It’s interesting that the pictures show different colored, different shaped figs. Could the breba be a different color from the main crop?

Harvey’s picture shows "Red Israel/Red Palestine" as a long, black fig that is ripe in mid July, so it’s probably a breba. The brebas of Brunswick on the Varietal Info site show a light colored fig with reddish to purple stripes. If the real Khurtmani is, as Harvey says, a lighter fig, and also equal to Brunswick, then what we all have from KK is something else?[/QUOTE]

I am pretty certain that my fruits were main crop figs, some of my earliest.  I had pruned my tree to have cutting to propagate and there wasn't much wood left after pruning.  I recall later fruits being about the same and that this was one of my earliest main crop figs but nearly all figs had produced main crop fruits by the time I returned from visiting our sponsored children in Nicaragua, around August 2nd.  Fig growing season starts earlier in SoCal but our longer days make up for it later on.