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Subject: Help with an ID please Replies: 12
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Interesting read from a folklorist at NC-ChapelHill  http://www.common-place.org/vol-11/no-03/bherman/

Subject: First Air Layer of 2014 Replies: 12
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Thoughts on air propping green sucker shoots? Do I need to wait til they bark up a bit?

Subject: Single lobe leaf - NEW INFO ADDED Replies: 13
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Alma is half Hamma, right? Some of the "improved" Celestes (not O'Rourke) have a tendency to be more single lobed (maturing with some variation), too. 

Subject: White/Yellow Marseilles feedback Replies: 12
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Thanks, Pete, for clarity and efficiency. 

Subject: White/Yellow Marseilles feedback Replies: 12
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Hi MJ -- the lack of responses is not because we're rude, it's because the topic of the white Marseilles variety(s) generally ends with everyone agreeing to not to talk about Marseiiles anymore and just accept they have a fine fig :) There's a sort of spectrum of light figs (some of which are termed honey figs) that include (a) Lattarulla, Latarolla, Peter's Honey, Italian Honey, the white and yellow Marseilles, with synonyms that include Lemon & Blanche, and perhaps a dozen more. Akin (but unrelated?) are (b) Dottato/Kadota--which on second thought may be one or none of these.  (c) LSU Gold is another similar but unrelated variety. The first group -- and I'm not saying they are the same --are prevalent in the SouthEast, and have over many generations been mislabeled and mixed so that we have often have difficulty knowing what is what and which are the same. How can one person's Marseilles be pink inside (like in the Forum database) when most SE strains are clear or with a pale touch of amber??? This has been the topic of much discussion and usually ends with a peaceable acceptance -- at least with #snaglpus -- to raise them all, and not think on it too much :)    Marseilles and their buddies are readily available throughout southern nurseries. The Dottato/Kadota types (b) are generally more popular on the West Coast...and this may be due to climate issues.  In short, while several reputable nurseries provide Marseilles that seem recognizable to those of us who think we know the cultivar, when placed beside several similar cultivars--like Lattarula, it's becomes harder to make a firm decision that Marseilles is actually a separate animal. Am I even making sense (?) Perhaps I should have taken my fellow members' cue and remained silent :P

Marseilles Black VS appears to be a different animal -- possibly linked to Mt Etna types (like Sal's and HardyChicago) but maybe not. MBvs/MvsB was discovered by a very well respected forum member and collector who discovered/adopted/rescued the cultivar from Maryland --- it has a wonderful story attached to it that a military man brought it home to the States after the war in Europe. It is available through fig collectors and, unlike the white Marseilles with its light skin and light honey flavor, is a darker fig with deep red meat and berry flavor. 

Subject: It's Almost Friday Night Replies: 13
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Not a beer person, but really enjoyed Ch'ti Ambree (a biere de garde from Castelain Brewery) when I was in Paris several years back. Very rich, malty type...more of a "dessert" beer. So good...but can't find a distributor who services Alabama.

Subject: What is a Black Mission fig? Replies: 13
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Fantastic photos. Thanks!

Subject: FMV question Replies: 38
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It has been established that Figs (like many plants) can carry anywhere from 10-50+ different types of viruses. Leaf mottling/mosaic viruses include at least FLMaV-1 & -2, FMMaV, and FMV, plus a host of other co-viruses that may be triggers or modifiers. The "disease" can be the result of contamination by one or more of the viruses with a prevailing theory that certain combinations of viruses may be more pronounced (or damaging) than others. This may be a case like HIV+Pneumonia where FMV creates an immune threat that allows less lethal diseases to do real damage. There have been global studies about FMV and related viruses. Here is an abstract for an Egyptian study which shows that most (95%) trees (in the study) have some form of mottling-related virus, but not all trees have the same virus: http://www.fupress.net/index.php/pm/article/view/8741/9054

Certainly global trade and exposure to foreign strains could overload a plant's ability to cope: not just exotic strains of mosaic/mottling, but other viruses in general that could be contributing to the damaging aspects of the disease.  As to what we should do at this point, who knows. Global and domestic trading and exposure seem so overwhelming at this point--and there is so little information as to why some cultivars take a beating while others resist--that it's hard to say. Personally, I separate cuttings from "outsiders" away from my asymptomatic inground trees: grow in separate rooms and place potted plants in different areas of the yard. But there's no way to know if what I'm doing is effective or even necessary.


Subject: What is a Black Mission fig? Replies: 13
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Thanks, Jon.     BTW Do you think your "Willow" is a Mission-type?


Subject: What is a Black Mission fig? Replies: 13
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Thanks, Brian. Sometime I see pics of leaves that more "frilly" than most varieties I am familiar with (not as frilly as IceCrystal, but have more variation in a single lobe than most common varieties. 

I'm sure everyone's seen this pic during web searches -- I think from Condit (below). Most varieties common to my area have the more smooth rounded "full" lobe like the one's on the top row. The pics for Mission and San Piero --bottom row --have an irregular oak-leaf quality that is unique to me. Even your (Brianm) pic shows the center lobe with multiple sinuses---not something I see a lot. 

Are there other Missions other than Black Mission?

(And thanks for indulging me...I suppose Mission in California is like Celeste in Alabama...so common we expect everyone must know what it is :))

[FigLeafCondit] 

Subject: What is a Black Mission fig? Replies: 13
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I'm ashamed to say I know nothing about this important fig variety. Maybe because hardly anyone this side of the Mississippi grows it (or talks about it if they do).

What can you tell me about it? Got pics? (I've looked at the database but would like to see your pics of leaves and fruit)? What are the identifiers?


Subject: can someone tell me about USDA/UCD Dauphine? Replies: 4
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Good question. The type of Dauphine/Adam that Condit and others describe is San Pedro-type with green/yellow body and red/violet blush. Condit states clearly about dropping due to lack of caprification.  The Dauphine Galgoni describes is common bifera and almost looks like Sollies.  In the UCD dNa project, they said the sample Dauphine was from France (where as the Adam-type Dauphine came to the US via England in 1880s).   Hope you get some answers. Interesting tree(s).

 


Subject: New Fig Deck - Finished! Replies: 66
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Congrats, Dennis! 

Subject: Easter report Replies: 6
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Armando, I use whatever I have around. Most of these pots are probably <20% perlite with the rest being MG Potting Mix (the mulchy type) and BacctoLite. I usually add maybe 10% yard dirt in the mix (a shovel or two added to a half-wheelbarrow full). I mix in a wheelbarrow and premoisten until it just begins to clump. I hold off watering for a few days or week and just let it settle into the pre-moistened potting medium (something NC Pete mentioned which has been working for me). But after that,  unless it's raining for days on end, an adolescent plant (4+ months old?) should be able to handle a good bit of water without too much worry. 


Charles, Lemon (from Petals) is a bit of a mystery to me. It's doesn't appear to be the same as Marseilles and don't know if it is the same as either Latarulla or Dottato. It seems to be unique--maybe an old sport of one of these?  (It has a clear meat, no strawberry tint, if that helps any. Leaves are HUGE with 5 lobes. Eye is not closed but fairly small.)The major production is on last year's growth so if you prune hard each year, your production suffers. Hence, my tendency to endure the legginess. It will fruit on new growth but not as readily as last years. I call this breba because I don't have another world for it. It's not a San Pedro because all fruit mature and is edible. I remember a recent thread that quoted EL's confusion over Desert King/Lattarula/Danny's Delight (white version). Maybe there is a connection?  Petals once said it was Dr Welch's Lemon, which is probably S. Carolina Lemon. http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/southerngarden/Figcitrus.html But there's also white and yellow Marseilles grown here, so maybe it's one of those. Or maybe not. It's confusing. What's certain is that it prefers production on the prior year's growth.

Subject: Easter report Replies: 6
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A spectacular, cloudless, blue-skied Easter in Birmingham. Despite last week's frost, Lemon was able to hold onto a few promising brebas. LSU Purple cuttings from last October have now been moved to 3 gallons & have been moved out into partial sun. They're a happy lot and enjoyed their first real rainfall night before last. Weather reports show 50-80*F for the week ahead: looks like the longest winter has said all it had to say. 

Easter greetings, everyone!

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Subject: How do you create a fig tree??? (PHOTOS ADDED) Replies: 34
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5 leaves might be good measure on slow-to-moderate growth trees, but on a quick growing/vigorous tree, nodes can eventually space out to 10-12 inches. So might need to use some judgment with regard to culture and cultivar so you don't wind up with mature node spacing altering the shape you wish to achieve. 

Subject: Wow...Wow Replies: 20
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Does Lloyds of London write fig policies?

Subject: three different figs, very similar leaves. Replies: 12
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RdB?


Subject: 32 degrees tonight:( in Alabama Replies: 47
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Nice, Blake. BTW Becnel's Black Italian is on ebay as we speak. Petals might have some PapaJohn's tucked away, too, if they're not out of stock. Enjoy your field trip. Now that tax season is officially over *hooray* hope to be able to get my weekends back for some exploring. 

Subject: 32 degrees tonight:( in Alabama Replies: 47
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Good bye, Lemon brebas! :(   I agree with Bob. Cold wind can do more damage than just cold. If plants are small enough, plastic sheeting/blankets are worth the trouble.

Subject: wanting to grow a fig where no fig has grown before Replies: 21
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Welcome Anna. Although I doubt you get the wasp as far north as Oregon, the standard Marseilles doesn't need wasp. Most 'American' trees don't. Even Desert King--a popular PNW variety--can have a good first crop without wasp. Calimyrna (aka "Sarilop" ) is the only popular fig I can  think of readily bred on West Coast that needs wasp. We usually call self-fertile figs "common" figs. "Smyrna"-type figs require wasp for any edible fruiting. "San Pedro"-type figs bear a first crop without wasp, but need the wasp for the second or main crop. 99% of all figs traded and discussed in the US will be common types as very few places in the US can sustain wasp culture.

Subject: PIX: Socorro Black Replies: 8
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Subject: Free Lattarulla Fig in Delaware Replies: 34
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Holy moly! That was quick! 

Subject: Put Them in the Sun ? Replies: 9
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Soni, this was a rough winter; hopefully it was an isolated event. I would say, if you're going to plant, do within the next month so they'll have time to settle before summer scorch comes. My in-grounds were 1 year olds in 3 gallons when I planted and did fine (this was 8-9 years ago?). I'd like to think this winter was an anomaly -- I certainly hope so. 

Subject: Hello Replies: 21
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Welcome, Hershell. With a greenhouse in your arsenal, growing any fig from cutting should be a piece of cake. Don't think there are any rules for rootstock for figs as there are with other fruit trees. The relatively few who graft cuttings usually choose rootstock that are particular vigorous or adaptive for that area. I'd suspect in Georgia, the only consideration would be winter weather -- but since dieback usually starts on the tips of branches and works backwards, cold hardy rootstock may not be a significant advantage. Happy growing!


Subject: does anyone keep fig journal? Replies: 23
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This is my fig journal. :)


Subject: difference b/t Adriatic JH and Adriatic Replies: 79
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Kenny, you're in luck. There's two on ebay now :) No shame in paying a few extra bucks in the beginning to get a few little trees while you explore cuttings. Seeing your wish list, Hardy Chicago is readily available from online and local nurseries. I think HC is one of the varieties that fruits at a young age, so if possible, might consider buying a young tree....might get fruits this year.  Nice to have a producer or two while you wait out the ups and downs of cuttings. Weather this time of year is pretty good for mail order...wait much longer and you might find shipping in hot weather problematic. 

Best of luck to you. BTW JHA came from a single mother tree in Texas, so no need to tempt fate by trying to order from outside the States: you might wind up with a USDA inspector knocking on your door.

Subject: PIX: this yr's cuttings in 1 gal container. Replies: 10
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Nice little army you got there, Pete. Last night was the first night the kids spent the night out. Now that winter's passed, I'm going for a 'toughen up or die' mentality. 

Subject: Hello Replies: 26
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Welcome! Might start your ID search with Celeste and Brown Turkey (Celeste is the smaller fig and very sweet, Brown turkey is a larger fig and less flavorful most of the time). Both have similar enough coloration (often a sort of mixed amberish/reddish/light purplish color) to be confused easily. If not one of those (and there a bunch of different strains of both), then might look at Brunswick [aka Magnolia]<--this one is kind of unique because it often has slender fingerlike lobes on the leaves; LSU Purple; and Alma. Hopefully that will get you started...

Best of luck and welcome,
Rick

Subject: What eludes you? Replies: 40
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Patience eludes me. 



Subject: The news from Birmingham 4-Apr-2014 Replies: 5
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Thanks, and thanks for the extra advice, Grasa.

Ed, I received the St Jean as a 'bonus' from this winter's F4F exchange. If they are true GSJ, they certainly fit Baud's apparent description for being difficult to root. GSJ wasn't really on my radar because the eye looked larger in pics than is ideal for my area. But since it's found it's way to me, I feel a special need to make sure it survives. LSU Gold should have a bit of wildness to it: hopefully it will be a good engine to promote shyer cultivars. 

Subject: The news from Birmingham 4-Apr-2014 Replies: 5
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The kids made it out doors for their first few days before a pollen-soaked drizzle brought them back in to the shop. Hoping for a mild  spring as my leggy old Lemon--which didn't do much last year--is now loaded up and down with brebas.  
In other news, an effort to salvage  a stubborn-rooting GSJ by grafting to LSU Gold rootstock from our friend in Dallas appears to be taking. After a long month of doing nothing in a perlite cup [I thought it had died], GSJ has begun to show a bit of bud activity since grafting. (Thanks to #mizuyari #grasa and others for excellent instructions). 

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Subject: Another one bites the dust :( Replies: 31
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Today we remember not just a fig tree but also [apparently] the generations of prisoners who sat at those barred windows gazing at the dignified ficus carica outside, contemplating their wrongdoings, and lusting after figs just out of reach. 

Subject: Pruning Advice (photo + OT bonus photo) Replies: 12
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I think I'd let it go the first year....let those little trunks get some heft on them. I experimented with pinching young plants to shape them early on, but probably the traditional method of letting the trunks get some thickness to them before whacking away is the better idea. Thick trunks can produce strong new growth, so after the first year, don't be afraid to prune hard (if that's what your chosen shape requires). As for the little tiny "branchlets," feel free to snip them off if they don't seem to be doing much....chances are they might never produce: you're more apt to get good branches from future pruning than from little spindly side growth. 

Subject: Good reading Replies: 9
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Frank, my trees generally start exfoliating as soon as production is over (mid to late September). By mid October they're mostly bare. I don't know if it's rust or just production exhaustion. But, I've wondered if the exfoliation might be a good thing by forcing an early dormancy before freeze. Wonder if anyone has tried pulling off leaves to force trees into early dormancy (might be feasible on smaller pot-culture plants). 

Subject: Genetica Grp 8 UCDavis Turkmenistan Experience? Replies: 1
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Encanto (Jon) has/had Shih Berdy and Nuhurskii at some point. Good luck! 

Subject: Air layers - Greek style Replies: 105
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Processes over time are always instructive...even fails. Share away.

Subject: Lowe's Fig trees on sale ALERT Replies: 11
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That's a good deal on rootstock (I have a few stubborn rooters this spring).


Subject: Limestone in potting media? Replies: 12
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Crusher run is crushed limestone chips...smaller than gravel and usually jagged. We use it on garden paths to keep mud down. 

Subject: How to stimulate nodal activity? Replies: 32
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I heard about the notching, too, Rafael. It was explained that notching above a node disrupts the flow of auxins from the terminal bud which inhibit growth; the lower node is then permitted to bud out. If your cutting doesn't have a tip bud, I wonder if that would work ???

Subject: Is my "Alma" a Kadota? Replies: 8
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Doesn't Alma take on the peachy blush when ripe?

Subject: 4000 Pound SUV Meets Fig Tree Replies: 27
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PS> Your Almas and Atreanos are rooting like champs. Atreano was the winner pushing roots at 7 days! Thanks a bunch, Frank.

Subject: Please Help to Save this Black Madeira Cutting Replies: 15
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Bexley, I've heard foliar feeding mentioned several times lately on the forum..had never heard of it before. Do you use a misting bottle? What's the technique?
Thanks.
PS> Good luck, Kausik. Wonder if a tall clear bin (50-60cm tall) might be better than baggy. Keeps a moist microclimate around the plant but allows you to use the lid to adjust/reduce humidity over time. I've noticed that any time a leaf touches baggy, it suffers. 

Subject: New Roots on Cuttings with Leaves - Happy Replies: 12
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Nice, Rich. I have a few St.Jeans which, at least in my case, are stubborn rooters. Hoping they decide to put some roots out soon. Since you're a big fan of hydro,  wanted to ask if you use hydro methods to root, or if you root then move to a hydro environment. Not sure I want to go that route since my area is generally favorable for growing things outdoors, but would be interested in maybe integrating some techniques in the early stages.

Subject: cuttings started late Replies: 13
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If they're truly dormant, might be a good time up-pot them to one gallon nursery pots with lightly moistened potting media. Hopefully by the time they wake up and start leafing out, weather will be warm enough outside to start the ol' Yankee Shuffle. Best of luck!

Subject: 4000 Pound SUV Meets Fig Tree Replies: 27
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Jersey figs are probably used to that sort of thing. :)

Subject: Limestone in potting media? Replies: 12
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I put some crusher run in the bottom of my cups...observed that the lime dust does leach out and form a chalky crust in bottom of cup...thought that might be a problem for drainage and repotted. I usually mix in a handful of crusher run into 1g and larger now; hard to say whether it benefits are not.

Subject: When I get leaves before roots Replies: 12
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PWT (perched water table): Idea is that if fine-grained material sits on top of large-grained material--for instance soil sitting on top of a layer of gravel-- instead of the water draining down and away, as we would expect, the adhesive quality of water makes it actually cling to fine grained material. Water may be less effected by gravity, but rather needs small enough grains to be wicked away. When this happens, such as in a cupped cutting, the upper soil around the root crown would stay too wet. I suppose the answer to a possible PWT problem would be to maintain uniformity of media throughout, leaving water no particular favorable place to park itself.

Subject: Caprifigs in March-2014 Replies: 24
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An article (reliable?) reports "The ornamental fig 'Ice Crystal' well known English gardeners is a caprifiguier of this species."   http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://olharfeliz.typepad.com/jardin/2013/07/ficus-afghanistanica-et-lorigine-du-figuier.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dafghanistanica%2Bfig%2Bjohannis%26start%3D20%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D1179%26bih%3D685

Subject: souther brown turkey Replies: 59
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To add a bit, Dr. Powell and the folks at Petals have a variety of Brown Turkey which he refers to as "Monticello BT." He talks a little about it 7:30 (Don't know if this is the standard BT they sell or if it's one they're trialing):