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Subject: Buildng a cheap 100 watt LED Replies: 74
Posted By: SCfigFanatic Views: 1,122
 
For those not trying the project due to people saying chineese LED's are junk....
Worry not, my $27 100 watt led has been running every single day since
I built this one.
And it runs from 12-14 hours a day, every day.
Best thing of it is, my all electric 4 bedroom home costs less than $70 a month
during winter to live comfortably and light up a closet and keep it warm.
Not bad eh?
I just started sweet basil, tomatoes and a few others with my 3 cup method.
The basil will smell things up pretty.
I read basil will not grow under cool white led's.
Somebody please try it. I see your cool white led's.


Doug



Subject: Tanning Bed Lights ????? Replies: 11
Posted By: SCfigFanatic Views: 165
 
seems like the right color spectrum is there.
intensity will be good as well.
can you get a light meter app for android and test lux output
at different distance from bulbs?
I for sure think I would try it.
Checking power consumption would be good to know too.
Doug

Subject: SCfigFanatic's 3 cup method for rooting cuttings Replies: 2
Posted By: SCfigFanatic Views: 145
 
Glad to hear.
it is still my main way to root.

Doug

Subject: In ground containers Replies: 21
Posted By: SCfigFanatic Views: 457
 
I attach pictures by copy n pasting BBCode to post.
If you can find that with whatever pictures hosting programs like flicker
maybe potobucket.

Hope it helps

Doug

Subject: In ground containers Replies: 21
Posted By: SCfigFanatic Views: 457
 
I have buried pots in the past, I keep the edge of the bucket 2" above soil line.
I dont want ground surface water running over the top of my pot edge as it
will just fill with water and wash soil from the pot.
I do mulch heavily around it all when done.
Pine bark chips worked best for me.

Doug

edit
make sure to check hole for drainage before sticking pot in it.
It will need a very well draining hole, or you just build a mini pool
that will hold water.

Subject: roots on cuttings Replies: 3
Posted By: SCfigFanatic Views: 184
 
I squirt water through dirt cup holes to add water where the roots are forming.

Cant see the pic.

Roots wont stick to the cup, give it a good watering and root ball slides right out.


Doug

Subject: How Did You Loose Your Tree Tag? Replies: 38
Posted By: SCfigFanatic Views: 1,103
 
I use aluminum or copper tags wired to tree limbs.
I also have my own orchard map drawn with all trees labeled as a back up.
Keeps confusion out of it.

Doug

Subject: Brooklyn white Replies: 9
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As my memory of the story goes. A member named Bass found the tree growing in somebody's front yard in brooklyn ny.
It was cold hardy and cuttings were sold from it.

It is a very robust growing fig and my tree was loaded last year.
The taste definitely improved with age on this one.
"It seems similar to Naples white? How similar are they?"
Don't know, I do not have Naples white.
Doug

Subject: Brooklyn white Replies: 9
Posted By: SCfigFanatic Views: 355
 
I enjoy it.
Your welcome.

Doug

Subject: When do you fertilize? Replies: 42
Posted By: SCfigFanatic Views: 588
 
A wake up tonic of bunny manure tea in the spring, then I
scatter around base of tree but not up to the trunk of the tree.
I leave room around the base to not encourage rot and the
roots are spread out from the tree.
I would suggest using only a tea mix for potted trees.

Doug

Subject: When do you fertilize? Replies: 42
Posted By: SCfigFanatic Views: 588
 
I raise meat rabbits.
Free fertilizer.


Doug

Subject: When do you fertilize? Replies: 42
Posted By: SCfigFanatic Views: 588
 
Not that my advice be taken, but I fertilize when I see growth in the spring.
I fertilize again when fruit sets.
I taper off giving fertilizer after summer is over.
No more till next spring.

Doug

Subject: Brooklyn white Replies: 9
Posted By: SCfigFanatic Views: 355
 
I have 3 BW started for you Lukie29, will show you your progress in 2 weeks.
In spring I will pick the best of the 3 and send off.
Will keep you updated.

Doug

Subject: Brooklyn white Replies: 9
Posted By: SCfigFanatic Views: 355
 
It's no problem.
I can head out to the orchard tomorrow and find you something.
I will start you a few in the closet.
My 3 cup under led lights is working well this year.

Doug

Subject: Brooklyn white Replies: 9
Posted By: SCfigFanatic Views: 355
 
I can start you a cutting and mail it in the spring.

Subject: Merry Christmas! Replies: 7
Posted By: SCfigFanatic Views: 60
 
MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Doug

Subject: OT - Question for honey lovers/honey farmers. Replies: 14
Posted By: SCfigFanatic Views: 209
 
I got a bee hive last year, tried to attract a wild swarm of bees.
Did not work.
This year I will buy the bees.
I can't wait to produce my own honey.
Lots to learn.
A quick google search can answer anything
on honey digestibility.
Doug

Subject: When do you fertilize? Replies: 42
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The break down of bone meal depends on the fineness or grind of the material.
Powdered bone meal does help in the speed of it being usable by the fig.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone_meal

First sentence.

Doug


Subject: Fertilizer information Replies: 1
Posted By: SCfigFanatic Views: 92
 
Nothing but bunny fertilizer goes on my figs
since last year.
The growth is un believable. It can be used immediately
and honestly works better than any form of fertilizer I
have used.
I put it in the hole when transplanting, I use it on
everything growing I have.

That article keep stating the over use or over abundance of
phosphates or excess phosphates or over fertilizing with phosphates.
I agree, when over used it does more harm than good.
But when soil is lacking phosphates, it does help adding
minimal amounts back to the soil. Bone meal for instance
used in small amounts returns phosphorus to the soil.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone_meal
Doug

Subject: Buildng a cheap 100 watt LED Replies: 74
Posted By: SCfigFanatic Views: 1,122
 
Agreed KK, I meant to say this at the beginning.....
Safety first friends.

Doug

Subject: Buildng a cheap 100 watt LED Replies: 74
Posted By: SCfigFanatic Views: 1,122
 
Anybody running growing lights, please consider the extra safety by installing a smoke detector
in your closet or where ever your lights are running.

My $27 100 watt LED still running 12 hours a day since the day I assembled and installed.


Doug


Subject: Merry Christmas Replies: 15
Posted By: SCfigFanatic Views: 150
 
Merry Christmas Danny, and to your family.

Subject: Oatmeal fig bars...Yum... Replies: 15
Posted By: SCfigFanatic Views: 215
 
Thanks for that!
I just printed it.
I'm going to try it with my dehydrated figs.
Sounds good to me.


Doug

Subject: Hollier up pot today Replies: 21
Posted By: SCfigFanatic Views: 304
 
I might add that if you use "grow" lights
you can check your lux output at plant height
with a simple android app to measure light intensity.
I have played around with 10,800+ (the highest reading my sensor can register)
lux at leaf height, and sunburn leaves.
Through experimenting, I find 6000 lux adequate
for figs and optimal growth.
6000 lux is not that hard to achieve, no matter what type of lighting you use.
I use LED's because they run at very low cost per lux output.
I'm not special, any body in the same zone can have the same results.

Hollier by the way has always been the easiest and quickest to root cuttings
I have ever grown. A super fast grower in ground. Good job rooting.

Doug

Subject: Hollier up pot today Replies: 21
Posted By: SCfigFanatic Views: 304
 
My figs are usually a foot plus by the first few weeks in march when I plant them.
I would not expect that much growth that fast.

Doug

Subject: Hollier up pot today Replies: 21
Posted By: SCfigFanatic Views: 304
 
I started out with cuttings using this.

DSCF0315 by Doug B, on Flickr

added a couple led lights

DSCF0323 by Doug B, on Flickr

This was the best system I have used when starting 50 plus cuttings.
I have thought many times to set it back up but I am about at the limit of figs I want.

Put a plastic liner on your floor.

Doug

Subject: Age of fig tree affect hardiness? Replies: 15
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Do  you have pictures with thicker branches alan? Do you have a orchard too?
Each of the older trees have at least 3 trunks growing off
a fat base on the trees.
Those are 2-2 1/2 inch diameter and are at full height..
When I prune all this years extra growth in the spring
hopefully the same 3 trunks will survive winter again
and will grow bigger each year.
It does not happen in 1 year. It takes many years of surviving winter
to get big trunks formed.
Its just what I am learning as I go.

Doug

Subject: Is it a new scam? Replies: 78
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Good advice.
We have the beetles in North Carolina and South Carolina.
Alan in NC reported his.
Just last year while walking in orchard I noticed a hole right where I took a cutting
from the year before. The hole has sawdust around it so I knew I had a problem.
I went back to malathion to spray my trees. I spray early spring before leaves bud
and in the fall after harvest.
this year no holes.
Although I really do not like the idea of using chemicals, but when it comes to borrers
I do what is necessary.

Sorry if off topic

Doug

Subject: Is it a new scam? Replies: 78
Posted By: SCfigFanatic Views: 1,603
 
"More people are selling figs now and that is about it, overall interest has declined in the past 2 years, fewer new growers, less interesting conversations, less experience being shared overall. "

I have been a member since 2010 or before, I would have to look up the old email of membership.
Over the years I notice a new group of newbies rotate through 4f4.
I find it funny that the newest members seem to have the most to say.
Disgusted with the forum or people on it at times made me not want to be a part of
it what so ever. So I deleted my account. Well I get excited about figs too and then end up re joining.

None the less I have been the route with the usda.
They contacted me a year or more later about cuttings I bought from china.
I had after getting the first letter, ripped up the fig trees from those cuttigs
and I took pictures with name tags still attached.
Then I put them on a roaring hot  fire and burnt them to ashes.
I just so happened to video them burning as well.
Those photos and movie was the only thing that prevented a private visit by the usda
in my area.  I called them told them what I did and sent a man a email with the pictures and movie.
We discussed the laws and I apologized.
He was fine with that and dropped it.
Others may not be so lucky as he said he could take any questionable trees he likes.
I did not want him in my newly growing orchard.

I'm losing the thrill of figs or trying to help noobs.
I just grow em.

Doug




Subject: Posting Pictures Replies: 6
Posted By: SCfigFanatic Views: 186
 
No problem Bill.
If you just copy and paste the BBcode directly to your thread
it will show the pic instead of the link.
Im no expert I stumbled on it.


Doug

Subject: Age of fig tree affect hardiness? Replies: 15
Posted By: SCfigFanatic Views: 334
 
Dennis would you share pictures of your orchard?
I would find it interesting.

Doug

Subject: Age of fig tree affect hardiness? Replies: 15
Posted By: SCfigFanatic Views: 334
 
This is the beginning of last season.

2972017 by Doug B, on Flickr

2972016 by Doug B, on Flickr


Doug

Subject: When Do Figs Become Ever-Hardy in Zone 6 Replies: 56
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I could grow oranges with a green house if I wanted.
But, common sense tells me I'm not in the right zone for it.
I don't have zone envy just because I cant grow oranges.
I have to accept what is logical to grow in my zone then do
the best I can with what I am given, weather wise.


Doug


Subject: Posting Pictures Replies: 6
Posted By: SCfigFanatic Views: 186
 
I open picture in flicker then I click on "view on photo page"
Then click the share photo "an arrow to the right icon"
then copy n paste BBcode to your post.


how I do it on flicker
Doug

Subject: When Do Figs Become Ever-Hardy in Zone 6 Replies: 56
Posted By: SCfigFanatic Views: 766
 
It's pretty obvious temperature affects plants going into dormancy.
Remember there are areas in the world where figs do not go dormant.
Those areas have long day light hours and high temperatures.
Day light hours are cut naturally in colder zones from late fall through winter.
When daylight hours increase in the spring, this is when most people
start gardens ect.
When I bring a airlayer inside it is dormant with no leaves.
Introducing the dormant tree to 12 hours a day of good lighting  is just
like what the plant had a few months back.
When it was growing the fastest.
Fig trees outside do go dormant when temperatures drop.
Colder zones usually go dormant before warmer zones do.
Most of it is just common sense.

Doug

for example of todays day light hours between South Carolina and cannada

http://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/canada/toronto

http://sunrise-sunset.org/us/chester-sc  

today alone
toronto has

Day length

8h 57m 59s



in my zone

Day length: 09 hours, 51 minutes





Subject: Age of fig tree affect hardiness? Replies: 15
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Hi Snaglpus.
I'm sure my trees would benefit with a wrap.
But, they grow back anyway so far. (my excuse)
I started this orchard with a vdb my wife gave me for a present.
I planted it in ground and kinda forgot about it until it's 3rd year
where the branches were loaded with big purple figs.
I tasted my first fresh fig.
Hooked.
Knowing my physical condition would affect how much time I could be
out with my trees, I decided heck with babying figs.
So, I plant my winter cuttings in early march then water them
every other day for a couple weeks.
After that, the orchard is care free.
As shown, I don't even mow it at end of season.
A small natural barrier between the soil surface
and deeper growing roots.
 
Take care Dennis

Doug

Subject: Age of fig tree affect hardiness? Replies: 15
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ADelmanto, potted figs vs in ground figs are apples and oranges apart.
Trees in ground quickly form a 5 foot diameter root system.
Trees confined in a bucket will still have to spread it roots
and go through the same conflict of making through the first few winters
if put in ground.

Doug

Subject: Age of fig tree affect hardiness? Replies: 15
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Tad, 150 miles north puts you in the mountains?
I trim in early spring leaving the older trunks that survive and cut back suckers until
I have 3 main trunks. They are still there, but I let it grow in bush form
so I can maintain height of tree, and it provides extra cuttings for others.
They have made it through last 2 winters without much problem.
If they continue to survive the trunk sizes grow more each year.
I could wrap and cover my trees for winter and get better faster results.
I chose the route of letting it grow and die back naturally.
After they have been in ground 3 years I start the trunk pruning to start out in spring with 3 leaders.
thanks
Doug

edit
those first 2 rows yielded 50+ pounds of ripe figs last year.

Subject: Age of fig tree affect hardiness? Replies: 15
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My orchard has been a 5 year project. From sticks to trees mostly.
Beings my frost line is only 6" I know that once roots are established
below 6" they can not freeze. As the trees establish better root
systems each year, they grow faster and larger.
The 2 year olds started at ground level, but so did most all of them except the 3+
year old trees. They re grow at different levels according to age.

I find it interesting that all the different varieties all grow similar in size, according to age.

Doug

Subject: Age of fig tree affect hardiness? Replies: 15
Posted By: SCfigFanatic Views: 334
 
Devisgrow, I planted the rows 10-12 feet apart. The figs are at 6-8 feet apart.
Heavy pruning will kill hopes of breba on those branches.
I left enough to let some produce, if the wood survives through winter.

Adeimanto, yes the zone has everything to do with it.
As you can see by age difference the "hardiness of a variety"
did not play out for me. One seems as hardy as the other, depending on age.
Doug

Subject: When Do Figs Become Ever-Hardy in Zone 6 Replies: 56
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Freezing branches to ground level will likely re grow. froze
Freezing the root ball turned the roots to mush. That did not grow back. dead


Doug

Subject: Age of fig tree affect hardiness? Replies: 15
Posted By: SCfigFanatic Views: 334
 
When growing in ground, does the age of the tree affect hardiness?
I say yes, here's why.
I will show you my rows of fig trees, each a addition over 5 plus years.

The first picture shows the 5 year old trees

IMG_20161212_134443 by Doug B, on Flickr

this second row is 4 years old

IMG_20161212_134620 by Doug B, on Flickr

Then 3 years old

IMG_20161212_134652 by Doug B, on Flickr

these are 2 years old

IMG_20161212_134806 by Doug B, on Flickr


When they die back the most is before they are 3 years old.
The ones that are 5 plus years old have not died to the ground the last 2 winters.
So, I think they definitely get more hardy with age.
I think just the size difference between the years of age speak for themselves.
Just my findings, by watching them grow year by year.


Doug

I should add that all the older trees were cut way back for cuttings.

Subject: When Do Figs Become Ever-Hardy in Zone 6 Replies: 56
Posted By: SCfigFanatic Views: 766
 
Roots hold moisture.
When water freezes it expands.
When roots freeze, the moisture in them freezes then expands.
It destroys root tissue.
If your figs can be frozen solid then live, only proves how tough a plant the fig is.
We do not reach lows like you guys talk about, but I have had a young tree freeze
to death, even in my climate where we do not get to -15.
Let em freeze, only a few die.


Doug

Subject: Why do fig need to go dormant? Replies: 28
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Then why do dormant figs without leaves start growing as soon as they are under LED lights?


Doug

Subject: When Do Figs Become Ever-Hardy in Zone 6 Replies: 56
Posted By: SCfigFanatic Views: 766
 
I grew up on a farm in zone 5, lived in that zone most of my life.
Then I moved to where I am.
The growing season is 3 months longer here.
What I can easily grow here, I would have struggled to grow in ohio.
Those in colder zones, they need greenhouses to extend their season.
Not trying o discourage anyone. Give it a try and see.

Doug


Subject: When Do Figs Become Ever-Hardy in Zone 6 Replies: 56
Posted By: SCfigFanatic Views: 766
 
If you can grow fig trees in zone 5, good for you!
I have 73 in ground trees.
Tired of discussing it.

Doug

Subject: Wine Chiller Grow Room Replies: 14
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Coop, if artificial lighting is used the fig will grow until spring.
I started Nov 11 with dormant trees and no leaves.
Now I have leafed out growing figs.

IMG_20161211_161255 by Doug B, on Flickr

IMG_20161211_125821 by Doug B, on Flickr

Doug

Subject: When Do Figs Become Ever-Hardy in Zone 6 Replies: 56
Posted By: SCfigFanatic Views: 766
 
who stores figs at 25 degrees?
Maybe those living in the real cold zones could answer.
Im sure there is thread after thread on how to keep figs dormant.
None of them will tell you to store figs at below freezing temps.

I don't do the shuffle. don't need to.


Doug

Subject: When Do Figs Become Ever-Hardy in Zone 6 Replies: 56
Posted By: SCfigFanatic Views: 766
 
for your reference.
http://sqfoot.com/pdf/US_Map_Frost_DepthAVG.pdf

The plants in buckets that survive freezing solid roots is
a new one to me.
Not all zones will produce the same results when in ground.
Does anyone with dormant trees in pots let roots freeze solid?

Doug

Just to add,
my father in ohio put all his figs in a unheated garage.
Every single one (15) died.
he gave up trying to growing figs.
Not worth fighting the climate.

Subject: When Do Figs Become Ever-Hardy in Zone 6 Replies: 56
Posted By: SCfigFanatic Views: 766
 

"Someone from zone 8 reported that all of his in ground figs would die back, regrow but never ripen fruit."

50% of the figs I picked last summer grew on 2 year old trees that died to the ground last winter.

I wouldn't bother growing figs if that happened to me.
Mine do produce almost always
after a winter kill so long as they are at least 2 years old.

The roots can not freeze and live.
The root ball needs to be below the frost line or depth of dirt that
freezes each year.
It was 36" frost line in ohio, 6" frost line in South Carolina.
If you are in a zone that keeps roots alive below frost line,
the tree should survive winter and just re grow stronger each year.
Doug

edit

"Fig plants come back from underground wood that didn't die, not the roots."

Excuse me but what do you imagine feeds the remaining wood?
The roots.