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Subject: Black Madeira: My Most Vigorous of 2016 Replies: 7
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All the UC Davis Black Madeira cuttings are not crippled by fig mosaic. When I received my single Black Madeira cutting from UC Davis several years ago, I raised 4 trees from it. Three were not affected at all by FMV. One was affected and took a few years to come out of it. Numerous trees have been raised from cuttings from these trees (both by me and by others). They seem to be very vigorous.

Subject: Black Madeira 2016 Replies: 18
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I had enough Black Madeira for fig jam for the first time. I'll be interested to see if the taste carries over.
Here's 3 BMad with one CDD Noir. 3 bm 1 cdd noir.JPG 

Subject: Coll de Dame varieties Replies: 58
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Here, CDD Blanc very bright berry taste and very resistant to rain. CDD Noir not as berry tasting, but very good, just a little different. Eye seems more open. Both very late and take a lot of heat. CDD is a little smaller than Black Madeira here and Black Madeira still the taste champ for fresh eating.  
CDD Noir cdd noir.JPG 
CDD Blanc cdd blanc.JPG 

3 Black Madeira and CDD Noir 3 bm 1 cdd noir.JPG 



Subject: Snake bite today Replies: 83
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Please go to the ER and get treatment. Sometimes it gets much worse hours later. Scott

Subject: Black Madeira Replies: 20
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Even in a southern climate, I use Herman's branch pinching for Col de Dame (8 leaves and pinch off the terminal bud to induce more rapid fruiting). Figs still ripen in October/November. Martin used to successfully ripen potted Black Madeira in Michigan.

Subject: Fig Jam Color Replies: 16
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Nicely blood red. My favorite part was the eating at the end.

Subject: Fig Jam Color Replies: 16
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Wow, great answer. A little looking shows a study of figs including Cuella de dama to have a lot of the anthocyanin called antirrhinin (Cyanidin-3-rutinoside). Red at acid pH  and purple at neutral pH.

Subject: Fig Jam Color Replies: 16
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Has anyone noticed that jam made from certain figs keep their red color better than others?

On the left (white cap) is jam from Col de Dame (white) and on right from Hardy Chicago. I have also noticed that Violette de Bordeaux also adds a lot of red color. IMG_0873.JPG 

Subject: OT: France Replies: 6
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Prayers for all in France tonight and for all the victims and their families throughout the world.

Subject: South Carolina Fig Question Replies: 8
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Yes, if it goes below 10-12 degrees even for a few hours, it is time to break out the christmas lights and tarps or accept the freeze damage. Tons of Celeste and Brown Turkey around here and that's what a lot of the older ones seem to be, but the nurseries and big chain stores have been stocking some other ones, so younger figs have more variety.

Subject: South Carolina Fig Question Replies: 8
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I am in a similar climate here in North Georgia. The problem this year for us was not the unusual cold (down to 12F briefly), but the fact that one of these cold snaps happened in early spring after some fairly warm weather. Some inground trees were unaffected (Hardy Chicago, Sal's EL, Col de Dame blanc), but some were stunted, frozen back, or showed slow growth. My Celeste does not have any figs on it yet. The high temperatures and lack of moisture for the last month has also not been helpful. He shouldn't give up hope, it is early in the season yet. I will often still have ripe figs in early November.

Subject: Not a col de dam thing Replies: 4
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Col de dame has always been a shy bearer for me. This year my philosophy was 8 leaves on a limb, it gets pinched. Very helpful in adding figs.

Subject: Perter's Honey, is it the same with the fig known as Kadota? Replies: 28
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Peter's_Honey_Breba_and_main_6-22-08.jpg Here Peter's Honey brebas are the best--main crop a little insipid for my taste

Subject: Black Madeira Prices Replies: 44
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Accept no substitutes for UCD origin Black Madeira if you have a long season.

black madeira on branch.JPG  Black Mad Nov 20 Cut.jpg 

Subject: ENDERUD UCR 228-20 I like it Replies: 13
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Enderub here tastes a little bland to me, but it is edible. Enderubcut.jpg 

Subject: UC DAVIS CUTTINGS Replies: 42
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Some of the "research" we can do might be helpful. For instance, CDD blanc here (in the ground) withstood 12F briefly this winter with little if any damage. Enderub was forgotten outside and made it through the winter in a pot and is bearing figs.

Subject: Looking for Col De Dame Blanc Replies: 14
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No trouble with Col de Dame growth here. It grows well, so far bears lightly, though.

Subject: Chic-Fil-A rooting Replies: 10
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Great ideas! The best thing about reusing food containers is you can still recycle them when you are done.

Subject: Chic-Fil-A rooting Replies: 10
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Thanks, Suzi. Sure less stress this way!

Subject: Chic-Fil-A rooting Replies: 10
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Being fairly busy this year but wanting to root a few cuttings, I tried a simpler method.

1. Buy chic-fil-a salads, eat salad, save container which is already vented.

2. When you have enough containers label each with a sharpie.

3. Make sure cuttings will fit in container.

4. Go to Lowes's and buy a bag of shredded peat moss.

5. Moisten peat moss and then squeeze all the water that you can out of it.

6. Completely bury cuttings in moistened peat moss in each container.

7. Place on a high shelf on upper floor of house.

8. Ignore for 2-3 weeks.

9. Transfer to cup.        
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Subject: Looking For Named Caprifigs Replies: 5
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I have Enderub assuming it has survived our last cold spell. "Edible caprifig" I have collected pollen from it and tried to pollinate other figs to get fertile seeds, but no luck yet. Enderubcut.jpg

Subject: Black Madeira ripening inside house Replies: 19
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2 year old black madeira (2nd summer). Ripened them all gradually. Black Madeira 2 yr old.jpg 

Subject: Varietal fig preserves (jam) Replies: 20
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Wow Aaron, what a coincidence, those were exactly my dance moves after eating that jam! :)

Subject: Merry Christmas Replies: 21
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Merry Christmas to all!

Subject: Varietal fig preserves (jam) Replies: 20
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Subject: Varietal fig preserves (jam) Replies: 20
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I have mostly made fig preserves with Hardy Chicago/Celeste prior to this year. With an over abundance of Violette de Bordeaux, I made a few jars of Hardy Chicago/VdB preserves and noticed the preserves are more distinctly red with a different flavor than usual.

Does anyone have a favorite mix of varieties for fig preserves (jam).

Subject: Col de Dame Blanc and Coll de Dama Blanca Replies: 14
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My apologies to Xon2000, it's a great site and thanks for educating us Axier.

I really like Col de Dame's berry taste and birds here tend to leave it alone as it doesn't look ripe. Needs a long season and so far is a shy bearer here. But in late October, there are not many ripe figs but it and Black Madeira.

Scott

Subject: Col de Dame Blanc and Coll de Dama Blanca Replies: 14
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Check out Axier's website (http://www.galgoni.com/ENG/Fotos_Maxi/014.htm) for more informationand nice pictures. It also includes other alternative names

"As curious interesting observations are made by Mann: the name Bouankirk signifies “long neck.” The Kabyles (North Africa) also designate the variety by the names D’Abouch Takli, “breast of a negress,” and Abgait. It is widely grown in North Africa, but on account of thickness of skin it is not dried commercially. "

Subject: My first Black Madeira Replies: 21
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Yes, from a single UC Davis/USDA germplasm repository Davis cutting received in 2008.

Subject: My first Black Madeira Replies: 21
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In addition to good taste, the late ripening can be a plus. Here's today's Black Madeira harvest--fresh figs in November. Black Madeiras Nov 16 small.jpg 

Subject: “Black Madeira” from Madeira Island Portugal Replies: 53
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Graça, thank you for your positive feedback. More photos of the figs, cut.

Subject: “Black Madeira” from Madeira Island Portugal Replies: 53
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I have a seedling of this year, the name is unknown. But the guys that I photographed in the autumn 2013 looks like black from Madeira..

The above from google translate..

Subject: “Black Madeira” from Madeira Island Portugal Replies: 53
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Here the UC Davis Black Madeira doesn't usually have much of a neck when ripe. They are still ripening. black madeira on branch.JPG 

Subject: Black Madeira Replies: 23
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BM takes a lot of heat to finish ripening. Most are just beginning here.
BM 2014.jpg  BM14 cut.jpg 

Subject: Leaf variability, causes? Replies: 64
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Back to the main subject, Harvey. I think other. The two rooted cuttings I'm showing above were rooted last year in nearly identical soil mixtures, with a lot of pelletized lime so both alkaline pH, in identical growing conditions, less than 3 feet apart for 1 /2 years. One has always had all 'juvenile' leaves while the other has always had all the longer finger-like leaves. They don't show any signs of changing yet. They are both off of a mature VdB that has limbs composed completely of each type of leaf and these limbs are fairly randomly located. I am guessing that the cutting with the juvenile type leaf came off of a juvenile leaf limb on the mother tree and the fingered leaf off of that type of limb. I will check next time.

Scott

Subject: Productivity Black Madeira vs CDD white Replies: 6
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Black Madeira will split with lots of rain, but still tastes good.

Subject: Productivity Black Madeira vs CDD white Replies: 6
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I think the photos of these two young trees summarize my experience with these two figs in this climate. Both late figs and like a lot of heat. Black Madeira very generous and CDD white stingy and a tip bearer. Taste very good with both.
CDD blanc 2 year.jpg        Black Madeira 2 yr old.jpg 

Subject: Leaf variability, causes? Replies: 64
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Harvey you have struck a nerve. Recently, my wife wanted me to give a fig to a friend of hers and I pointed out two I started recently (not this spring, but the spring before--so 1 1/2 years old). She asked which would be best and I said it didn't matter, they were the same fig. She said they can't be, the leaves are completely different. However, these are both VdB, both taken from the same tree (different limbs). Same culture, location, sun, fertilizer, etc. Yet the leaves are all entirely different. The same holds true for the older fig they were taken from, some limbs have entirely one leaf shape, other limbs a different leaf shape.  So I think something else is going on besides just juvenile leaves (which will tend to be more mulberry type sometimes. I think at times the cuttings repeat the leaf shape of the limb they were taken from, at least for a while.
vdb mulberry leaf.jpg    Vdb 1/2 year mulberry leaves VdB lobed leaves.jpg  VdB 1 1/2 yr. lobed leaves Vdb 8 year old.jpg  VdB mother plantVdb mulberry leaf limb.jpg  limb on mother plant vdB small.jpg  Figs from VdB

Subject: Hardy Chicago Replies: 7
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Hi John,

  I have been picking 25-30 Hardy Chicago every other day for a week or two now and I have noticed there is quite a range of colors, from light brown thru brown-purple (like yours) to a deep purple. I had always thought they ripened from brown to purple, but some of the brown ones are the ripest, like this dead ripe brown HC next to a VdB. HC on left and VdB on right.JPG 

Subject: Negronne Replies: 13
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Nichole,

Here's how I get an extra day or two of ripeness out of Violette de Bordeaux while protecting it from birds and squirrels.

Use aluminum cans cut lengthwise or crossways and secured back together with duct tape. there are some refinements like drain holes (in case it rains), inspection doors (to check on fig ripeness), and stem and limb protection from sharp edges. It's stylish, too.

  VdB.jpg VdB into the can lengthwise.jpg  VdB in can.jpg 

Subject: Sals EL GS 8-13-14 Replies: 23
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Hi Mike,

  My Black Madeira are in pots. I'll be interested to see how yours does in the ground as I've never been too sure how hardy it is.

Scott

Subject: Sals EL GS 8-13-14 Replies: 23
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Hi Steve, (FigNutty)

I have Sal's EL and two of your wishes-- Col de Dame and Black Madeira. Sal's when it is good is a a little bit better than Hardy Chicago. Both are highly productive here, mainstay crops for preserves and decent for fresh eating. Figgy and a little berry. As you pick off the lower ripe figs, the upper green ones ripen and they continue growing and setting figs. They are ripening now. They seem to shrug off cold weather.

Black Madeira and Col de Dame are late here, into the last half of September to October. They are both excellent for fresh eating, but Col de Dame so far is shy bearing, more of a tip bearer. Black Madeira is highly productive and superb for fresh eating in September--but it needs a lot of sun and a long season.

Scott

Subject: Cold Hardy Fig List by Flavor Replies: 61
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Nice list. I don't believe Hunt is that cold hardy. It was the only fig to completely winter kill here (North GA) this winter with a low of 12F for a few hours (this tree had been transplanted earlier in the year, however). Hunt was originally bred in Eatonton in middle Georgia with a long stem to help shed the rain. It is normally a rampant grower, the figs are somewhat like a large Celeste in flavor. Not exceptional for me yet.

Subject: Auction to benefit the Foundation? Replies: 130
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happy.jpg I'm sure I read a Dr. Seuss book with this in it at some point...

Subject: Pomegranate tree demise now official Replies: 11
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Joe I have a couple of pomegranates. One is a Georgia mutt, pretty hardy and early bearer. If you want cuttings, let me know.

Subject: When did Hardy Chicago start to ripen where you are? Replies: 23
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Main crop Hardy Chicago is ripening now here--in ground tree. I ate one today and there are more ripening now. Sal's EL still green. Nothing else ripe yet.

Subject: Mega Celeste, a winner Replies: 15
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What a difference a little time makes. Herman was, as usual, right--in wet years sours and splits badly. There are better ones for this climate, cut down and discarded.Too bad, I like the taste.

Subject: what's better than Black Madeira? Replies: 66
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There was an episode of Seinfeld where Kramer lost his ability to smell and taste just when the MacIntosh peaches started to ripen. He had been waiting for them all year. Black Madeiras are much the same, worth waiting for their rich unique taste. Sorry was MacKinaw--an imaginary peach from Oregon that was only ripe for 2 weeks a year.

Subject: Relative cold damage Replies: 6
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I needed to trim them back anyway, so I already have trimmed them.

Subject: Relative cold damage Replies: 6
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A little more description for these trees...

Celeste damage 15-20 branches damaged, all with terminal buds--all first year growth damaged.
Sal's EL 10-15  branches damaged--all first year growth
Hunt 15-20 branches all first year growth
Alma 8-10 branches--all first year growth.
Hardy Chicago  2 trees in ground, neither with any damage.

Yes, my CDD has already fruited. Sounds like MB VS would be a good bet for this zone.