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Subject: OT: Persimmons Replies: 119
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 3,539
 
Sas,

  Of the others you listed I think only Maru will put out male flowers, so it seems Chocolate which does have male flowers did not pollinate itself.  Maybe when Maru flowers  you will see a change in Chocolate. No seeds = no brown flesh. I am not saying it's not Chocolate.

Subject: OT: Persimmons Replies: 119
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 3,539
 
I like both astringent and non-astringent,  both Kaki and Virginiana.  I pick some Matsumoto Wase Fuyu yesterday. I really like this non-astringent Cultivar a early fruiting sport of Fuyu. It's one of my earliest although these were not quite colored up enough, my ignorance in letting it over set and not thinning resulted in major limb breakage and I had to stop the bleeding. Normally if they have started coloring up, they will ripen respectably nice fruit. This tree is at my cabin plantings and I did not attend as well as needed I should have thinned or at least supported the limbs from the heavy crop, but still a decent sized fruit I find it a little more hardy than than Fuyu as well. Couple Asian pears in one box. Matsumoto Wase Fuyu a winner despite my neglect.  Ate a few Meader Virginiana as well.

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Meader on tree

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@SAS,

So you liked Chocolate not polinated/seeded?  I don't grow it present but I did not care for it unless seeded, seeded it develops the brown flesh hense the name and really has a enhanced flavor and you can eat them before they soften up completely as a PVNA type.  If I start a planting in my back pasture I will put it in but my main planting I don't want many seeds in all my otherss


Subject: $7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties Replies: 775
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 28,721
 

James,

Thanks for the update.  You asked for input on that post. I can only speak for myself, but what I would like to see is just communications when the status of something changes and all this drama can be avoided.  I don’t need free cuttings or anything else. I think most of us understand what a task you undertook and reasonable delays in such a venture and assuming trees are received while I still need the cultivars I will be happy and think most others will be as well. In fact if of those you listed having difficulty with offer them a refund as I am sure pretty sure when you actually have the tree available you would have takers for all.

The talk of a scam angered me, and I don’t know if it happened but I don’t care for a member creating a new login to post something they would not post as themselves.  If you don’t want the statement associated with you don’t bother saying it and hold your tongue, even if what is being said has legitimate basis.


Subject: UC Davis Ischia Black Replies: 34
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Dennis, I know you have It and got it to produce way before I did.  After 5?6 years mine finally decided to grow  and hold a few figs. It was a long wait

Subject: UC Davis Ischia Black Replies: 34
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 1,657
 
Dennis,

Did you bump to get a taste of Ischia Black?

Here you go

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Subject: Guess the variety of these figs Replies: 11
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So that was a Florea covered up down there at the bottom. Is the that the one that has been ripening for a week?  Thanks for fun Dennis I like the guessing games, it's tough on some without the inside view

Subject: Guess the variety of these figs Replies: 11
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 211
 
I agree totally about Smith. My Smith was slow to start producing took a few years and this year has very few fruit, but it's a top fig.   How about I drop the Verte and just guess Strawberry?  That largish squat bright green one half buried looking like LSU Gold. And I am going to toss out Florea, even though I am doubting it, but I ate a couple this AM my 1st main crop of the year and I can't get her out of my mind.

Subject: Guess the variety of these figs Replies: 11
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 211
 
I for sure see Smith
that big one showing Dark is Black Jack?
Maybe a Strawberry Verte, Alama, and Celeste, and some honey fig?  


Subject: Raspberry Latte Replies: 31
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Some of my Raspberry Latte display this same segmented fused manner as KKs.
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Subject: OT Rooting pear cuttings Replies: 9
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I agree with advice to Graft as pears are about the easiest plant to graft.  A few years ago, when cleaning out some unused graft Scion I  noticed some pear I believe Seckel was callused well so I just stuck a group in a 5 gal pot kept in shade and they leafed out. Leafing out really means little I would not get excited, but a couple retained some leaves until fall, so I was certain I had success. Come spring they still scratched green and the 2 put on a some leafs and I decided to separate in individual pots. I was expecting some significant roots as it was probably 9 months from being potted. There was not a root on either one and no signs there ever had been. I still had a hard time believing they could retain some leafs all summer go dormant and then break bud in spring but they did. They were left outside for winter but I don't think that factored. I know folks have stated being successful with rooting some pears, but with Callery seedling all about in places to the degree of invasive here, and the ease to graft I doubt I will try again.

Subject: OT Anybody else growing golden kiwifruit? Replies: 15
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Well I got my first blooms a few weeks ago several years into this. It appears to be male to me. I have 4 others but not sure I have the patience of more years to see if any female. IMG_0885.JPG 

Subject: $7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties Replies: 775
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 28,721
 
James,

You just continue to impress. I placed another order before I saw this today.

Subject: OT - Mulberry Cuttings Replies: 14
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 309
 
Can you graft? and have access to mulberry root stock?   I.E. would probably do good in your zone.  It doesn't seem to fruit heavy in my area, but has a few fruit over a long period of time. Aggressive grower and the fruit will be out of reach unless you really prune heavy and likely more than once a year.  It's supposedly a rubraXalba cross I like the taste a good grazers tree. I gon't grow Silk Hope but supposed to be similar and more productive in Southeast, but the person I know growing it has been disappointed. I have only gotten a few I.E. to root after 100s of attempts. Many times I get some minimal roots then they die. Shangri La, Middleton, Kokuso No. 20  I have had better luck rooting.  The tree I really like is Girardi dwarf spelled couple different ways been very productive with nice decent fruit. A true compact dwarf with fruit in reach. I never even got it to attempt to root however. If you want to try I.E.  I could  send sticks but like I said I have had limited luck. One good source for mulberry is Lucille at Whitman farms if you want an established tree 
http://www.whitmanfarms.com/category/allplants/edible-plants/mulberries/

Subject: OT - Mulberry Cuttings Replies: 14
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 309
 

I grow Several Mulberry cultivars. A Good mulberry is one of my favorite flavors. A  great balance of sweet and tart. I don’t care for ones that are Sweet only.  Morus Nigra species  are  pretty much accepted as the best, but as Timo eluded to many folks and some nurseries  incorrectly state Nigra only based on fruit color. The problem with Nigra is that it doesn’t grow well in many areas including mine. The Humidity in the southeast doesn’t agree with it. I still have a small Nigra Black Beauty alive but it’s smaller than when I initially planted it. I lost a couple other Nigra prior. I have lost 2 Pakistan to cold here in zone 7b. It’s a large fruit and taste is nice but there are others I prefer, but I will likely try to plant or graft it again.  

 On propagation  some cultivar cuttings seem to root fairly readily and others are very difficult  or it seems at least for me.  Most I found most graft pretty easy but I a couple I obtained failed. I think there are some graft issues  between species and you will see some conflicting info on how many species exist and what species  some mulberry are.


Subject: OT Anybody else growing golden kiwifruit? Replies: 15
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The inside is Gold They taste wonderful I have only found them at my International Market. Here is a stolen Pic comparing.

Tyler,

That guy near Atlanta might have been me we communicated on them at one point. I never planted inground there was a guy Logrocks?? that was growing many Kiwi near ATL might have been him. I got the impression He dropped the project I thought Chinensis was less hardy than Deliciosa  but maybe I was just fearing such. What's the low for Chinensis if the plant is fully dormant do you folks think?  Late cold when starting active growth I understand is different.  Maybe this is the year I set them free. Really not sure I want to use trellis space on them. I kind of have a woodland edge thinking of planting them near large tree bases and letting them grow up. If the turn out ok I will layer something off later so the fruit are not 30 foot up and where I can manage them.  I did that with a Deliciosa at my old place and never got fruit from it. Never even saw bloom maybe it was to shaded. It's good to hear Chinensis may not be as aggressive grower as Deliciosa

Foto Zespri ® Gold En Green picture

Subject: OT Anybody else growing golden kiwifruit? Replies: 15
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 363
 
I like Tyler started some Zespri Gold (Hort16a)  seeds several years 5?  ago. I have 5 plants in 5?7 gal pots that  I store every winter  I don't think they will ever fruit at the size I keep them, but I don't have the heart to plant them out. Anyone think they have a chance in Zone 7a inground?  Anyone have a successful pruning strategy for pot growth?  I have not seen a bloom yet so I don't know sex and just trying to handle the pots with the octopus growth is challenging.

Subject: Black Madeira cuttings Replies: 32
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Gary,  You are a great example of the best side of this forum.  I have Black Maderia but someone will be thrilled.

Subject: OT: Persimmons Replies: 119
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 3,539
 
Charlie,

Our native Virginiana  puts down a strong tap root.  When I started them I group planted them in 15/20 gal pots then separated them in 1st or 2nd year.  I didn't push mine and nothing was graft size after 1st year, but I am sure fertilizer will help. An option to save a year or 2 is that many state forestry services offer Virginiana seedlings at very low cost in their seedling offerings. when I ordered mine they were too small to graft 1st year but a friend of mine ordered and got graftable size trees. I might be to late for this season to order.

Glad to hear you were pleased with the Willis order, many folks have not been.

Subject: OT: Persimmons Replies: 119
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 3,539
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DonCentralTexas
Ok, Now of course I Need a persimmon.  I really like the non astringent types when I can find them in the store.

If one had to choose from one of these listed below, which would you choose?  These are on sale at Ison's right now.

Fuyu
Hana-Fuyu
Jiro
Matsumoto

Thanks!


Of the listed  I would likely go with Matsumoto. It's full name is Matsumoto Wase Fuyu It's a sport bud of Fuyu but is earlier.  I prefer Fuyu over either Jiro or Hana-Fuyu for the fruit but Fuyu is not noted real cold hardy and Jiro is relatively hardy to most non-astringent.

As Charlie stated Jiro is often sold as Fuyu mostly by West coast nurseries. as I recall the real Fuyu has incompatabilty with Lotus as rootstock and that is what many west coast trees are grafted on. I know ISONs in eastern but I don't know if they graft their own.  

Subject: OT: Persimmons Replies: 119
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 3,539
 
Charlie,

Did you get any grafts to take from the scion I sent you a couple years ago?  Or were you trying to root them back then?

Subject: Figs and pomegranates, two great partners! Replies: 66
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 1,152
 
Not looking to argue either,  and would love to be proven wrong:) as this summer I planted out inground about 30 cultivars I had sized up a year or 2 in pots. Over the last 2 winters I lost pretty much every one I had in ground. This winter has been a little milder and I tried planting back in less exposed area than I had on a windy open hillside prior.  Hoping if I get a couple winters with lows above 10F maybe they can establish.   I thought last winter all my inground except Kazake were dead and even it was dead to ground, but as I was digging them out in Oct? Salavatski had a shoot just breaking ground after setting there all summer with out breath of life. The other 6 cultivars were dead Here is a couple recent threads on zone 6/7 thoughts on Pomegranates

http://growingfruit.org/t/are-there-any-pomegranates-for-me-7a-6b/4090

http://growingfruit.org/t/mid-atlantic-pomegranate-realities/964

Subject: Figs and pomegranates, two great partners! Replies: 66
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 1,152
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneDaniels
The Russian pomegranates should grow just fine in zone 6, they just don't like humidity.
 

I have disagree with you there having grown many of the cold hardy Russian cultivars in zone 7  they don't like single digits. In general even the cold hardy listed ones are not as hardy as figs and don't recover from freeze back as well.

Subject: Amazing Point Loma SD Unknown Find! Replies: 103
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Would Love to be on the Trade list

Thanks

Subject: Pomegranates Replies: 48
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 4,738
 
Shane,

I don't think I found the reference to R18 , I selected the extension tab  but could not see where to navigate from there.  I did find find this image of Entek Habi Saveh  on UF site but it doesn't fit the description of Russian 18 that I have read.

http://www.crec.ifas.ufl.edu/extension/pomegranates/pdfs/pom_guide/Entek%20Habi%20Saveh.pdf

Subject: Pomegranates Replies: 48
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Alan,

Crab is one from USDA UC DAVIS  DPUN 085. The original origin I don't know just that is in the group they refer to as the old block. Ashton's book references it a few times.

Shane,

Thanks I did start Entek Habi Saveh DPUN 079 last year.  I knew it came from the faciltiy at Byron from the following "1997 received 22 accessions from Michael Hotchkiss in Byron Georgia. 17 originally came from Turkmenistan and 5 from the Safiabad Research Center in Iran. DPUN0059-0080"   but I thought all the R- ones were Turkmenistan and the I- ones were from Iran. I knew Entek Habi Saveh  was know as I-8.  The I- Pomegranates in this group did not come from Dr. Levin did they?  I assumed only the R- ones did, but I might have assumed wrong.  Do you know why the R-18 was changed to I-8, was it show origin as Iran and not Russia I imagine?

Subject: Pomegranates Replies: 48
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 4,738
 
A couple questions. 

1) I know I read someplace that Red Silk and Crab  are the same Plant,  but Ashton's book lists them separate as does Green Seas Farms. Are they the same?   Green Seas Farms carries a good selection reasonably priced for those of you looking

2) Russian 18  R-18    Does anyone know if this cultivar goes by another name?  I think saw it called Texas Red,  would like to try it,  but  thinking it might be one of Dr. Levins I am growing under another name.

Thanks

Subject: Opinion on 1 gallon pots and source Replies: 16
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Matty,

Don't forget to check craig's list    Folks are always posting pots found there. I got 15 Gal pots for like 50 cents

Subject: Hardy pomegranates Replies: 72
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 8,742
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by alanmercieca
This looks interesting! http://www.fast-growing-trees.com/Cold-Hardy-Russian-Red-Pomegranate.htm#tab10


I assume this is one of Dr. Levin's selection relabeled. I wonder which one.  I have no personal experience with this nursery, but they certainly are pricey and don't really seem to be fruit people to me in that they generically sell Rabbiteye blueberries without stating what cultivar they are and things along that line.

Subject: Hardy pomegranates Replies: 72
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 8,742
 
This is my trial year for planting out my Pom's I planted out about 30 cultivars after sizing up a couple years in pots. I had lost all but a couple  of about 6 types in ground the last 2 winters. I don't know how many I will have come spring, but If I continue these  mild 70 degree days with no real winter more than I figured I would

Subject: Amazing Point Loma SD Unknown Find! Replies: 103
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Would Love the chance to grow that one

Subject: Great Grandpa's Fig Tree & Thank You to member BronxFigs Replies: 26
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 367
 
Very nice I am sure Pietro is smiling

Subject: Best dog Replies: 23
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 366
 
Another vote for the Terriers.  Rat terrier we had when growing up, was the only dog we had that would kill a skunk, and was smart enough to learn what we did not want harmed. Never had a Jack Russell but from my view very similar dogs. Heart of Lions

Subject: OT - Got Fuyu Persimmons? Replies: 63
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 660
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smyfigs
which is your favorite persimmon, Phil?

My favorite is one at the right ripeness. I guess it would be a non-astringent  just prior to beginning to soften with crispness still.  I am still trying to define which non- astringent I like best, and some of mine have not fruited yet, but right now I feel all non-astringent  taste pretty similar if at the same ripeness and my favorite one will probably be determined by hardiness.   I am beginning to move more favor to astringent ones that still retain some firmness when ripe. I really don’t care for a complete gooey glob. I will say my least favorite to this point is Tanennashi


Subject: OT - Got Fuyu Persimmons? Replies: 63
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Think I picked 7 different cultivars of Kaki this morning, this was just a sampling. Love Fall  
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Subject: Harvesting Goldening Riverside fig. Huge Fig Replies: 8
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 272
 
Looks like a nice fig but I don't believe that is  Golden Riverside 278-128. At least not what I have from USDA UC Davis that matches what Harvey posted in both fruit and leaf. color can vary but I have not seen a hint of color other than green/gold on exterior. The leaf in video looks pretty different as well, and I know leaves show considerable variation.  Just my 2 cents

Subject: OT: Persimmons Replies: 119
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 3,539
 
I don't know of any selected cultivar available on it's own root, unless folks have had more success on cuttings than I am aware, I have had no success with airlayer but some have I understand and on those the the plant would come true but almost every named cultivar you find would be grafted and what would be propagated would be the root stock. I am saving my Kaki and hybrid seeds this year if something was impressive in a few years That would be an option.

Subject: We are having nice ripening weather Replies: 9
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Gary,  Looks really good.
You have posted a lot of nice figs this year.  If you can send some of that weather this way. I need to get the canoe out and go check mine

Subject: Idea to increase available cuttings for distribution and raise money for the F4F Foundation Replies: 23
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 857
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frankallen


You know, you brought up very good points, but ain't it the same when you buy on eBay, from a dealer that sells a lot of Fig Cuttings and Trees? We can't just think about the "what if's" ? The thing to look at, are the cheap prices, I really don't believe someone would raise a fit over these cheap cuttings.. Just my opinion  : )


Yes Ebay has many  faults, I purchase very few figs on Ebay and have not purchased any for some time. There are good sellers most of them folks we know from the forums. I would prefer what James is suggesting to Ebay I believe, and particularly if the source of cuttings was identified and they could provide some pics and maybe their source of the cuttings, and possibly we could contact with questions possibly, but I can see where many folks might not want themselves Ided.  I just wanted James and others to consider the potential headaches when mislabeled cuttings are sent out, not so much from dishonesty, but just from mis-identication and folks too determined to label a fig that should retain Unknown in the name to some degree, even if they suggest what it MIGHT be.

Personally I prefer to manage individual trades which we are always free to do, but knowing I planted out over 160 figs (many duplicates)  in ground this year most that were in larger pots inside in prior winters. The last 2 winters my max low was right at 0F prior to that we had a string of winters that did not reach single digits. I am really hoping I can keep my above ground alive, but If I realize  I will be getting near 0F come January I would prefer to go hacking away and make some available to folks, as opposed to letting the wood die, but I am not the type that wants to deal with that on a large scale dealing with lots of individuals but something like James suggested might work for me. I don't want to be the negative presence and the "what if" voice but I think much needs considered.

Subject: Idea to increase available cuttings for distribution and raise money for the F4F Foundation Replies: 23
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 857
 

James,

I think this commendable what you are doing with your own cuttings offered at reasonable pricing, but you know those plants and have fruited for you right?  Would you be comfortable representing authenticity of cuttings from someone else?  I think most of us have received cuttings not true to cultivar. I know I have and you might be surprised from some of the reputable folks here they came from and that’s not to mention the small minority  that would take advantage and knowingly mislabel just to make the money.  Even if you passed on the name of the source of the cutting  you would still be accountable as they passed through your hands and the chance of a mix up there is possible.  If you are willing to trust others made the correct judgment even evaluating their plant is true to name even after fruiting you are a braver man than me as there are so many incorrect and the source may not even suspect that 3 generations prior a mistake was made. Not everyone has that high of standard of correct labeling. They get a couple opinions on a unknown and label it as such and feel confident it’s true to the degree I have seen it listed within 24 hours on Ebay as the cultivar. Just think there is a lot to think about if you are considering this, but I commend you on trying to make cultivars available to folks at a reasonable price and hopes it works out I might participate on both ends. I have only sold one fig ever and that was recent in an benefit auction and the money did not even come to myself, I have sent out a good number of cuttings, but I have just never really crossed that line to charge yet. I know how frustrating it can be to grow a collection as I have been into figs for several years, but have a relative small number of cultivars I feel.  


Subject: OT: Why are paw paws not more popular? Replies: 36
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Sunflower
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Shenandoah
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Subject: OT: Why are paw paws not more popular? Replies: 36
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 578
 
Agree fully Bill.  I believe mostly because they don't ship or handle well and when you get outside of fruit growing folks most would not even recognize them.

Subject: New winners in my back yard. Replies: 26
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 719
 
Very Nice. Winners in any yard.

Subject: What is Spotted Wing Drosophila? Replies: 5
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 166
 
Ok here is my input, I have been complaining about them since last year for awhile I thought it was my own personal problem


Subject: What Do Fig Wives Do? Replies: 28
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 666
 
Haha,  I love this.   But sharing fig experience is so much nicer with a pic, and some folks will tell you if no photo  it did not happen. You might not have looked at the name, but I bet you remember where that tree is

Subject: Unk Bari Replies: 9
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 321
 
Hi John,

There is a unknown that Jazzbass has that he calls Bari,  I don't think It's widely distributed but just might want to consider that. Not that it would be the 1st time we had figs labeled the same, but maybe the full street name or such.  The fig looks generally similar as well.

Subject: Anybody has a photo of a ripe St. Rita? Replies: 18
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 510
 

It actually was significantly more productive  earlier and later with better figs, but I need to note my Chicago was one of my oldest figs and root bound until planted in ground this year and is lacking vigor. I expect it to establish better, My Chicago that was inground already has not fruited yet as froze to ground like everything else. The St Rita are in ground as of this year as well but were not root bound when planted out.

Subject: Anybody has a photo of a ripe St. Rita? Replies: 18
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 510
 
The baby was the 1st fig of the year from it. The double pic was more the average. I photo the 1st of year  even though it might not be best example

Subject: Anybody has a photo of a ripe St. Rita? Replies: 18
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Subject: Figs that nobody likes Replies: 29
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 1,131
 
Dennis,

For me Black Jack is Hit or Miss and seems more dependent on weather conditions when ripening than many others. Some of the Black Jack I have eaten rank among the worst almost tasteless to very pleasant and refreshing. It's never really intense flavor like some smaller figs. I have noticed the figs this year seem to be much better than last year which might be because this year it is in ground.

Subject: This Longue d' Aout deserves the spotlight Replies: 17
Posted By: strudeldog Views: 577
 
Meaty and rich  is exactly how I describe it as well Frank.  Your kids are precious.