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Subject: Feeding for better fruit Replies: 8
Posted By: Figaro Views: 387
 
I'm going to add a different perspective...

I personally would not be worried about fertilizing at any time, including the last few weeks, IF I was using organic fertilizers (which I do!).  I personally would not add chemical fertilizers to food crops at any time, as a personal preference, and certainly not late into the bloom phase.

Also, it's worthy to note that you (like me) are growing in a container, and unlike plants in the ground, plants in containers need to have fert's added since they will eventually deplete the fert's in the container.  And, since usually the plant needs to spend some time in the container before it begins to fruit, depending on the size of the container, the nutrients can be depleted just when the plant needs it the most (during fruiting).

The Plantone is supposed to be organic (although, I don't believe it's OMRI approved) so it should be fine to continue with that as a top dressing.  During fruiting, the plants like higher amounts of Phosphorous and Potassium so you could also top dress with some bone meal and potash and add some rock dust or sea minerals for the micro nutrients.

I am a big believer that the plant will only take in the nutrients it wants/needs and, if those amounts are present in the soil, then adding more fert's won't increase the nutrients absorbed by the plant.  I fertilize to make sure that all the nutrients the plant wants are there when it needs them.

Subject: Taste Report: VdB, Panache, Strawberry Verte Replies: 4
Posted By: Figaro Views: 256
 
Great video!  Absolutely adorable!

Subject: Will Donate $100.00 to the forum Replies: 16
Posted By: Figaro Views: 940
 
Welcome to the forum, Terrence, and that's a very generous offer.  This forum and the F4F Foundation (where you can donate) are both run by Jon at Encanto Farms.  He has a HUGE collection of fig trees and does offer cuttings for sale.  There are also many generous members here who I'm sure would be happy to sell you cuttings at a reasonable price, if not give them to you for free, and many more also offer their cuttings for sale on eBay.  Unfortunately, my BM and CdDB are both too small to take cuttings yet.

Subject: manure tea help. Replies: 8
Posted By: Figaro Views: 270
 
I certainly would recommend compost tea, but first I would try to identify the cause and nature of the deficiency and correct that.  The compost tea does not add much in terms of nutrients to the soil.  It does increase the biological activity that helps break down the organic matter making the nutrients available to the plants.  However, if, for example, your PH was too high/low, or if you had some root diseases, it could prevent the plant from being able to uptake nutrients that are already present.  It may be something like a nitrogen or iron deficiency that can easily be corrected by amending the soil.  I would still use the compost tea, just realize the compost tea does not add nutrients to the soil, it just helps break them down to a form where they're usable by the plants.

Subject: Valley's Gold - PBS program on California Fig Production Replies: 5
Posted By: Figaro Views: 311
 
NOTE:  The correct link is: http://valleypbs.org/valleysgold/episode-5-figs/ (the above link does not work)

Subject: Pruning Replies: 6
Posted By: Figaro Views: 357
 
They both seem healthy to me and, as long as they're both healthy, I wouldn't worry about the difference in the growth rates and I'd prune them to your liking.  Different cuttings, even from the same tree, can experience different growth rates depending on where on the tree the cutting was taken and a number of other factors. 

Subject: I May Have Outdone Myself! Replies: 9
Posted By: Figaro Views: 352
 
Publix grocery stores had buy one, get one free this week on Brown Turkey & Black Mission figs.  Since my trees are still young and I don't harvest much more than enough to eat a fig or a few at a time, I picked up several pounds planning on making some preserves.

Well, I got to experimenting tonight and modified another recipe with what I had on hand and, I'm not much of a dessert eater, but the result was pretty darn good!

Below is my Black Mission Figs Simmered in Honey Cabernet Sauce:

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Although, the pic didn't come out great and they didn't last long enough to take a second one, here it is served with some home-made Grand Marnier Whipped Cream:

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The Grand Marnier in the whipped cream was a little overkill and it would be even better with vanilla ice cream!


Subject: OT It's a Boy! Replies: 51
Posted By: Figaro Views: 617
 
Congrat's, Danny!  Later, we'll expect a tutorial on your propagation methods! :D

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brooklynmatty
Congrats Danny! he's a good looking kid.

Just make sure you don't forget to water him ;)



He appears to be self-watering! :D

Subject: Verte or Strawberry verte breba? Replies: 11
Posted By: Figaro Views: 565
 
I have two SV's I purchased as cuttings about 4 years ago from Jon at Encanto.  My SV's tend to be more round-shaped as opposed to long, as appears in your pic.  I won't say that you don't have a SV, but the figs are definately a different shape than what my (presumably) SV's produce.

Subject: Growing figs in Florida Replies: 3
Posted By: Figaro Views: 239
 
I think it will depend on the variety of fig and the location in Florida.  Florida has multiple different climate zones, mostly ranging from 8-10.  I'm in 10b and basically on the line between sub-tropical & tropical (about 50 miles north of Miami).  Here, I notice some slower growth during the winter months, but only a few of my trees actually lose their leaves.  I've harvested figs as late as November/December and as early as February.  I don't know if I've ever harvested in January, but only because I don't remember specifically.

This is a post I made this past November that only included a couple of fig pics, but you can see the LSU Purple still has all of it's leaves and a Cajun Gold with it's leaves still ripening figs:

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1284954764&postcount=1

And, here's a post from the beginning of February showing several more with full foliage and ripe figs:

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1286048546&postcount=1

I don't have a list of which ones go dormant, although, I do know the Strawberry Vertes and a couple of others will lose their leaves for a few weeks in Dec/Jan and then just put them right back on. 


Subject: Now, I see what all the hoopla was about now!! Replies: 16
Posted By: Figaro Views: 605
 
Congrat's Frank!  That's a nice looking fig!  I've got my first RdB's ripening now and hope mine turn out as good.

Subject: SUCCESS!! First fig ever! Replies: 22
Posted By: Figaro Views: 525
 
Well done!

Subject: Galicia Negra Replies: 7
Posted By: Figaro Views: 641
 
I'd never guess you had troubles rooting from the looks of that fruit!  That looks incredible!  Please let me know if/when you ever have cuttings to trade!

Subject: Untill now my best tasting fig!!! Replies: 21
Posted By: Figaro Views: 955
 
Looks and sounds great, Eli!  Very nice work!

Subject: Container tree size? Replies: 23
Posted By: Figaro Views: 788
 
I grow EVERYTHING in containers and most of my figs have 15 gallon Smart Pots for the "permanent" home.  They're all less than 4-5 years old, so at some point, I may go slightly larger, but I'm betting I can get at least 10 years out of the 15 gallon! :)

Subject: Container tree size? Replies: 23
Posted By: Figaro Views: 788
 

Here's a post worth looking at:


http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/fotos-of-portable-fig-orchard-at-driftless-sacred-grove-6958670?pid=1283357643#post1283357643

With proper management, you can maintain a relatively large tree in a small container!


Subject: spalier brebas Replies: 3
Posted By: Figaro Views: 197
 
While this video is not specific to espalier, the concepts of pruning  in a cool climate for maximum breba production should still apply:


Subject: Figs and More Updates - LOTS of Pics Replies: 10
Posted By: Figaro Views: 362
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by rafaelissimmo
Great stuff. BM usually needs a while to put on growth, the worst appears over!


Thanks, Rafael.  I agree!  The worst does seem to be over.  After hearing how difficult the BM was to root, I was elated when it rooted.  But, it didn't take long to realize that just getting it rooted was just the beginning of a long journey to anything that even resembled a healthy plant.  It's just starting to look like a healthy plant, but one that was rooted a few months ago and not over a year ago! :)

 

That being said, it's doing MUCH better than the two UCD Calverts I managed to get rooted.  They still don't look much better or bigger than they did over a year ago.  Both have looked like they're about to die for the last year now, but both keep hanging in there.  At this rate, it could be another 10-15 years before I get to taste  a Calvert!


Subject: Figs and More Updates - LOTS of Pics Replies: 10
Posted By: Figaro Views: 362
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sas
Thank You for the lovely pics. How old is your Parfianka and how do you maintain it? I have one but is growing slowly.


The Parfianka is about three years old now and just fruiting for the first time.  I rooted a cutting about a year ago and gave it to my parents and that one is already fruiting.  I don't really do much to maintain it.  It's in a 30 gallon container with lots of compost, rock dust & worm castings (plus peat moss, vermiculite, pine bark, etc.) and gets fertilized pretty regularly with organic fertilizer (fish emulsion and some organic slow-release pellets). I try to keep it pruned with an open center (bowl shaped) to maximize light and air flow.  Being in South Florida helps with an almost non-stop growing season, but it does go dormant in about November until about February and loses most of its leaves.

Subject: Figs and More Updates - LOTS of Pics Replies: 10
Posted By: Figaro Views: 362
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by FiggyFrank
Excellent post!  Lots to look forward to.


Thanks, Frank!

Subject: Figs and More Updates - LOTS of Pics Replies: 10
Posted By: Figaro Views: 362
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by don_sanders
Miracle fruit - I've never heard of that before.  Sounds really interesting.  I might have to try one.


Don, it's definitely more of a conversation piece and something to have fun with than a food source.  When you eat a berry, it coats your tongue with a glyco-protein ("sugar") called "Miraculin".  When you eat anything tart, it releases the sugar in the glyco protein so that's what you end up tasting along with the tart substance.  Things like pineapple & lemons taste like candy, cranberry juice is almost sickening sweet, and I've actually seen people drink shots of vinegar after eating a berry claiming it tasted like wine.  It can take 3-5 years before the plant will fruit and the berries are often given to chemotherapy patients since the chemo makes their food taste metallic and the berries seem to help.  I've seen the individual berries being sold for up to $5 each, just for a single berry!

Subject: Figs and More Updates - LOTS of Pics Replies: 10
Posted By: Figaro Views: 362
 

It's been a while since I've posted an update and there's a lot to update.  Here's some of what's going on with the figs, some of the other fruit trees, and some new additions...

My year-old Panachee is branching out, even without any pinching, and I'm working on taking my first air layer:

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A one-year old UCR 291-4 that thinks it's a mature tree with the way it's putting out figs.  I haven't harvested any yet this season, but wasn't that impressed with the couple from last season.  Hopefully, they get better with age:

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This is a year and a half old RdB that's showing it's first two figs including one breba and one main crop:

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This is a year-old VdB that is a vigorous grower and got chopped in half the end of last season.  It's branching out beautifully and is one of my favorite trees in the making.  You can see a cluster of small figs at the top:

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Here's a cluster of VdB's ripening on another tree being trained as a bush:

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This is a newer addition...it's a Miracle Fruit plant.  The fruits don't have much of a taste or nutritional value, but, after you eat one, for the next hour, or so, anything sour or tart tastes sweet.  You can eat a miracle fruit berry and then eat a lemon and the lemon will taste like lemonaid!

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This is one of two 3-year old Strawberry Verte figs.  I was reading where Jon from Encanto listed this as one of his top 10 most underrated figs, and I have to agree.  Both trees have been consistently productive and consistently delicious!

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This is a two year old LSU Purple that started as a TC.  It's a monster, but living up to the reputation of TC figs not being very productive.  I harvested a few figs last season, but nothing showing up yet this season :(


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This is a one year old UCR 143-36 ("Emerald Strawberry").  No figs from this one, yet:


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LSU Hollier that got pruned back heavily earlier this year:

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Excel that was also chopped in half a few months ago:

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Cajun Gold:

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Finally, my 15-month old UCD Black Madeira is starting to show signs of real growth.  It was stunted for the last year and had a tough time holding onto it's leaves.  Now, it's branching out nicely and the leaves aren't falling off as quickly as she can put them out (as it was!), although, it's still smaller than the trees started a year later!  It has tried putting out several fig, but I keep removing them to get the tree to focus on growth.

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This is a good example!  This LSU Scott's Black was started from a cutting within the last six months, or so, and has already outgrown the Black Madeira and has several figs ripening.

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This plant is also a new addition and is called a "Katuk".  It's an edible tropical perennial and the leaves are very tasty and can be eaten raw in salads:

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This is another new addition, a Triumph Persimmons.  I had tried rooting some Fuyu Persimmons cuttings given to me by a "F4F Buddy" but was unsuccessful and they are known to be difficult to root.  But, I had already gotten the bug for a Persimmons and found this beautiful tree at a local nursery.  Unlike the Fuyu, the Triumph is an astringent variety, but is supposed to be delicious (when fully ripe!) and does very well here in South Florida.  I'm also looking for a Chocolate Persimmons if anyone has any to trade!

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My Parfianka Pomegranate is doing great and FINALLY fruiting!

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This is a Meyer Lemon I picked up a few weeks ago.  I tend not to grow citrus because I don't much care for the acidity and citrus is everywhere here in Florida.  But, I made an exception for the Meyers which are incredibly sweet (they're a cross between a lemon and a blood orange) and great for juicing:

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My newest additions to the fig collection is a UCD Col de Dame Blanc just rooted a couple of months ago.  I received one cutting from UCD and divided it into three smaller cuttings.  All three rooted and one small plant went to my parents, the other two are below:

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Two more new additions to the backyard orchard are two different types of Muscadine Grapes.  I've up-potted them into some temporary containers and in a few weeks, I'm going to build an arbor with a bench seat for them to grow up.  I'll post pics of the arbor when complete.  I MAY try to document the process, but think it will take too much time and I'll be in a rush to complete it! :)

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Finally (for this post!), here's one of the Williams Hybrid Bananas just looking happy:

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Happy Harvests!



Subject: Insert cutting direct to ground Replies: 13
Posted By: Figaro Views: 581
 
If they haven't rooted in 6 months, it's likely they are dead.  With no roots, they can't uptake water or nutrients so they are likely dried out.  If they don't seem dried out, it's possible they have rooted so you can try scratching the cutting and see if it seems green/fresh.  If there were any roots, I would have expected it to put out some leaves by now.

Subject: 13 Reviews with Photos: Smith, UCR 143-36, Adriatic JH, Hollier, etc. Replies: 26
Posted By: Figaro Views: 1,235
 
Levar,

Great review and nice job on the pics and reviews.  So far, my UCR 291-4's haven't produced anything impressive, either, so jury is still out for me, too.  I do have a bunch ripening right now and hoping to see some improvement.  My UCR 143-36 hasn't produced anything yet, so it's good to hear yours has and it definitely sounds like a keeper.  Hopefully the LSU-SB's will get more consistently flavorful as the tree matures.

Subject: Thinking About Poisoning my Figs Replies: 47
Posted By: Figaro Views: 975
 
I don't have "critter" problems, but I've heard good things about this... A little pricey but it's non-toxic! :)







http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000071NUS//ref=cm_sw_su_dp?tag=duiwath-20

Subject: Mount Etna Figs Explained Video Replies: 25
Posted By: Figaro Views: 820
 
Joe, I always enjoy your videos and they're great contributions to the forum.  Nice work!

Subject: Is this black maderia Replies: 11
Posted By: Figaro Views: 504
 
The leaf is most definitely not typical for a BM.

Subject: Worm Castings Replies: 39
Posted By: Figaro Views: 2,359
 
I've learned quite a bit in the two years since I first commented on this thread and thought I'd share some of my current thinking. 

First, there is clearly debate over whether or not the leachate is good or bad for the plants.  In my opinion, this depends on what you're composting.  If you're only composting vegetable/plant matter, I do not believe there are any issues with using the leachate.  However, if you're composting animal waste (especially from carnivores!), I would not use the leachate or compost until fully composted.  That being said, the next thing I learned was that, if the worm bin is managed correctly, there should be very little, if any, leachate at all.

My worm factory, which was left outdoors, got infested with fire ants that literally attacked and killed all the worms in the bin.  Since then, I've made my own bin using three inexpensive Sterilite 15 gallon totes I store in the garage.  The bottom one has two bricks in the bottom to support the top one (or two) and provide airflow.  The two that go on top have lots of holes drilled in the bottoms and around the top-sides for aeration.  The lid that goes on the top tote also has lots of aeration holes drilled in.

I did not put any drain in the bottom tote and have very little, if any, leachate accumulating in the bottom.

Because the totes are larger than the worm factory bins, it does take longer to generate a batch of castings, but the system supports much more worms, so can process much more waste and, I anticipate, once it gets more populated with worms, will process the larger bin just about as quickly as the smaller bins.

Two more things I've started doing just this year (speaking of the addictive nature of maintaining worms!)...

I've been making my own dry worm food to help provide the grit they need for their gizzards and also manage the moisture.  I grind up eggshells with things like dry pinto/kidney/black/red/garbanzo beans and add some cornmeal.  I'll store this in a jar and "sprinkle" some in the bin and/or mix in with their other food. 

Also, when I pulled out my HUGE collard greens plant a couple of months ago, I took all the leaves and blended/pureed them down with water, then added some of the dry food to get a "pasty" consistency, then I froze the mixture in some containers and chopped (literally with a hatchet!) into some chunks that I use as "popsicles" for the worms on the hot days here in the South Florida summers to help cool the bin and add to the food.  When I add one of these, I make sure to place it on some dry shredded paper/cardboard to help soak up any excess moisture.

I hope those additional tips help! ;)

Subject: Too late to transplant an old container fig into garden? Replies: 8
Posted By: Figaro Views: 317
 
Well, I hate to add a third opinion into the "mix", but I'm in-between Smatthew & Elin! :)

I would dig a larger hole, add a good soil mix AND mix it in with your native soil.  That way, the roots will have a nice transition from the "good stuff" to whatever you have natively.  Also, before I transplanted, I would break up the roots and/or cut an "X" in the bottom of the rootball.

Subject: A Few Figs & New Miracle Fruit Replies: 2
Posted By: Figaro Views: 267
 

I hope everyone had a great weekend!  I thought I'd share a few pics of some of the newer additions to the garden.

First, this isn't new but is worth sharing.  I started some Strawberry Verte cuttings from Jon at Encanto 3 years ago and have two beautiful and highly productive trees that continue to produce bountiful harvests of fantastic tasting figs.  Just about every limb looks like this:

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This is a one year old Black Madeira started from a UCD cutting.  It is highly infected with FMV and, after a full year has only about doubled in size from the original 4" cutting.  It is now starting to branch out and seems to be holding its leaves which had been continuously falling off, so I'm hoping it finally starts a growth spurt:

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At the same time I started the above Black Madeira, which I just up-potted this weekend to a 2-gallon container, I also started this Excel which got to over 5' tall, produced about a half a dozen delicious figs, was topped, and is now in a 25 gallon container:

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Here's a new addition...a LSU Scott's Black received from a generous local member (thanks, Levar!):

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About 45 days ago I received a single 9" CDD cutting from UCD.  I divided it into three 3" cuttings to try to maximize my chances of success.  All three rooted beautifully and had been inside until a few days ago.  When I checked on them today, the once beutiful green leaves on all three appear to have been bleached (probably leaf scorch from the sun), so I think I need to move to shaded area until they get a little stronger, but I'm sure all will make it:

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Finally, an impulse buy today at HD's...

I found a fruiting Miracle Fruit plant for $24.95.  I've had my eye on these for a while and, due to the time they take to produce fruit (something like 4-5 years) and the value of the fruit (more than $1 for a single berry), fruiting size plants are often selling for more than $100.


This is an interesting fruit (which I've personally not yet tried!) in that the the berries they produce have little taste or nutritional value, but they coat the tongue with a substance that makes everything else taste sweet for the next hour.  So, you can eat a berry and then drink straight lemon juice and it will taste like lemonade!

Because of this effect, the berries are supposed to help chemotherapy patients whose sense of tastes get altered by the chemicals making everything taste metallic.

In any event, here's the nice, healthy Miracle Fruit Plant:

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It had one over-ripe/split berry on it at HD's, but it was gone by the time I got home, so it fell off either in the store or in the car on the ride home, but there are numerous clusters of more berries forming:

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I'd love to hear more about the Miracle Fruit, including any suggestions, from any growers that have experience with this!



Subject: RONDE DE BORDEAUX QUESTION Replies: 18
Posted By: Figaro Views: 912
 
FYI...if you used a heavy nitrogen fertilizer, it may be contributing to your tree not wanting to fruit.  Nitrogen promotes lots of green leaves and growth, but not fruiting.  You may want to try adding a heavy dose of Potassium and Phosphorous to offset some of the Nitrogen and try to stimulate fruiting.

Subject: HELP! Critter Eating my Verte Tree - Rat? Replies: 19
Posted By: Figaro Views: 531
 
Congrat's, Suzi! The possum sleeps with the fishes!

Subject: Found A Couple of Treats! Replies: 4
Posted By: Figaro Views: 295
 
Unfortunately, Rafael is 100% correct! 

I tried a couple of the "Brevas" ealier and, while the syrup was tasty, the figs were horrible.  They were very dry and they were picked WAY too early since the insides were somewhat fibrous.  The syrup was pretty good and seemed to be flavored with cinnamon and cardimom, which helped significantly with the dryness of the figs themselves.  It'll still be good over some vanilla ice cream but, I''m sure, no where near as good as anyone on this forum would make from their own figs.

Subject: Found A Couple of Treats! Replies: 4
Posted By: Figaro Views: 295
 

I just got back from a run to a couple of stores to stock up on some groceries and found a couple of treats.  First, Publix had some flavored vinegars on sale that are being discontinued and then found some brebas in a heavy syrup at a Western Beef.

Sorry the first pic came out a little blurry!



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Subject: Showing A Little Panachee! Replies: 9
Posted By: Figaro Views: 355
 

Jon - Thank you!

Speed & Joe - Thanks!  I'm anxious to post pic's of the inside, too, but it's not for the pics! :D


Eli - IF there is a FMV-free Panachee, I suspect the cuttings won't come from UCD ;)


Subject: Showing A Little Panachee! Replies: 9
Posted By: Figaro Views: 355
 
Started from UCD cutting last April:

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Subject: Bourjassote Gris 2015 Updated 2/25/15 Replies: 25
Posted By: Figaro Views: 1,102
 
Very nice, Suzi, and congrat's on the successful rescue!  Looks like you're not long from the payoff!

Subject: Impressed with Excel Replies: 4
Posted By: Figaro Views: 356
 
I just harvested my third Excel from a tree just started this past April and have to say, I'm quite impressed with this fig.  For a light colored fig, it has an extremely rich & jammy taste!  With all the honey dripping from the large eye, I'm surprised it hasn't attracted any bugs!

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Subject: OT: Fruits of Kauai Replies: 21
Posted By: Figaro Views: 834
 
Great post - Thanks! 

Subject: A short video of my Galicia Negra and Martinenca Rimada Replies: 28
Posted By: Figaro Views: 1,337
 
Nice job, Ryan!  I like how you get multiple air layers on a branch!

Subject: Ripe LSU Hollier Is Really An Excel! (Edited Title) Replies: 13
Posted By: Figaro Views: 892
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisK
Great looking fig Figaro. is it a breba or main crop Exel? Thanks for sharing.


Chris, it was a breba

Subject: Ripe LSU Hollier Is Really An Excel! (Edited Title) Replies: 13
Posted By: Figaro Views: 892
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rcantor
If you want to edit the title you hit edit on the first post.  Then they'll be an option that says either, "go advanced" or "use full editor".  Click on that and the title field will be editable.


Thanks!  That did it! :)

Subject: OT: Blueberries & Buttermilk Bread Replies: 20
Posted By: Figaro Views: 504
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by levar
Yessssss

Homemade butter is the absolute best for when you need brown butter. When simmered over low heat, butter "browns", meaning the milk solids "toast", giving it a caramel flavor. It's kinda tough to get as much of the milk solids out of the butter at home compared to when it's commercially produced, so more milk solids means more caramel flavor.

That said, wrapping a finished butter in cheese cloth and submerging it in an ice bath will help remove some of the milk solids and thus prolong the shelf life, which is really only necessary if you're making a lot or if you can hold onto a little bit of butter for a while. 

After the butter comes out of the ice bath, you can sprinkle the ball with salt and let it sit to develop flavor. 

Also, I remember seeing a recipe somewhere that called for a 2:1 proportion of heavy cream to creme fraiche. I haven't gotten around to it but if that's not a good idea...


Levar, thanks for pointing out a couple of things I forgot to mention along with some things I did not know.

Part of the process is removing as much of the buttermilk as possible through a series of mixing & pressing.  The ice bath sounds like a good idea if you're not going to use the butter for a while.  The more of the buttermilk (liquids) you can remove, the longer it will last.

I do also add salt to taste once it's become butter.  And, it does melt down and cook up much better than commercial butter, in my opinion.

I haven't heard about adding creme fraiche and not sure I understand what that's supposed to do since you can make creme fraiche by combining heavy cream and buttermilk:

http://www.seriouseats.com/recipes/2011/02/how-to-make-creme-fraiche-in-1-easy
-step.html

And, if you want to remove all the buttermilk when you make butter, in the end you're right back to the heavy cream! :D

Subject: OT: Blueberries & Buttermilk Bread Replies: 20
Posted By: Figaro Views: 504
 
Suzi,

I make sourdough pizza all the time and am definitely going to try your recipe.  I basically use the same recipe as I do for the bread so the crust comes out a little "bready" but still delicious.  I need to get a pizza stone for my smoker!

Those onion rings sound awesome and are on the top of my list to try!  Thank you!

Coincidently, I currently have about 25 Yellow Granex ("Vidalia") onions growing in a large container and that sounds like the destiny for more than a few! :)

I hope you're feeling better and let me know how you like that bread when you try it!



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:-) Love that 1-2-3 Method!  Bet I can make that work! 

For pizza dough (which is usually what I make), I use equal parts starter and flour with some salt and olive oil.  My starter is a little wet anyway.  Lots of bubbles.  We grill our pizzas, or stick 'em in the Treager Smoker.  Grill one side, flip and add toppings to the grilled side.  Back in to finish.  Yum!

Here is a bonus for you:

Sourdough Onion Rings

Whenever I have a craving for onion rings, this recipe hits the spot! You will need:

3 onions, peeled and cut into thick slices
2 cups of sourdough starter
1/2 cup cold sparkling (carbonated) water
1/2 teaspoon salt, plus more
1 cup all-purpose flour
Vegetable oil for frying (I use canola)

Put oil into deep pan or deep fryer and heat to 375 degrees. Combine sourdough starter, water and salt. Put flour in separate bowl. Toss the onion rings in flour, then put them one by one into sourdough starter bowl and then the hot oil. Deep fry until golden, season and enjoy!



Thanks so much for the bread recipe!  I already copied it all to a word doc so I can try it when I feel better.  Normally, I'd be working now.  I'd have missed this whole thread!  Thanks for the recipe!

Suzi

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wow that is early.  I live  1 mile from a blueberry farm and we go pick about 5 gallons around the first of May.  I get a email when they are ready.  I collect cookbooks and have a great one that you probably go to Amazon and pick up inexpensively that has lots of ways to use buttermilk   pies  and breads   cornbread    North Carolina & Old Salem Cookery by Beth Tartan   if you love fried chicken  nothing beats soaking it in buttermilk  drain a little  salt and pepper it     put it in a plastic bag with flour and paprika a little salt and pepper and shake it up     fry away.   


Aaahhh...I forgot all about buttermilk fried chicken!  Thanks for the reminder!

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I'm sorry!!!  I made a mistake!  That fig was an Excel I started from cutting this past April (10 months ago) and NOT the Hollier started almost two years ago.  that certainly explains the huge difference between last year and this year!!! :D

The Hollier doesn't have any figs yet this year.

Is there a way to Edit the title of this thread???

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Suzi, I had two Holliers I had started and I also lost one to some fungus, although, didn't appear to be gnats.  I'll be chopping the (healthy) Hollier in a month or two, once the current figs finish ripening and will be more than happy to send you some cuttings.  PM me if you'd like them!

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I think I have pneumonia.  We go to doc tomorrow, but this is a good thread.  Again, post a bread recipe using sourdough starter.  Mine rocks!


Please get better quick!!!

I've been making sourdough for so long, I don't really use a recipe per se, I just use what I call the "1-2-3 Method" just to make it easy for me to remember....

1-2-3 is for: 1 cup of starter, two cups of water, three cups of flour

This is where I usually start, but as you know with bread, you'll usually need to adjust the flour/water mix to get the right consistency depending on humidity, thickness of the starter, etc.

I will usually use 2 cups of bread flour and one cup of whole wheat flour, but about three cups of just bread (or all purpose) flour works fine.

To this, I'll add some salt, honey, and a little coconut oil (any cooking oil or butter, or NO oil or butter is fine).

If I really want to get fancy, I may add some chopped onions, garlic, cheese, or dried herbs.

Let me know how it works for you!

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Nice.  How did it taste?  I tried Springwide a few years ago and wasn't wild about the taste.  My blueberries are really early this year as well, we had a really cool fall up here, so I think they got their chill hours early.  I grow Sweetcrisp, Springhigh, Emerald, Sunshine Blue and Snowchaser. 


Mike, it tasted fine.  I only picked the one and at it real quick, so didn't pay much attention to be honest, but I wouldn't complain if I had a whole bunch of them!  How do you like the sweetcrisps?

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Nice post.  In Miss Schaffer's class, second grade, she put whipping cream in a mason jar, and we all shook it.  It became butter and we had it on ritz crackers.  Fun lesson when you are a kid.  Never forgot.  We have huge dairy farms here West side of town.  They go for miles.  Pretty stinky.  Wonder if I could get some really good cream.  Bet I can!

Actually, I'd like a good recipe using sourdough starter.  Mine has been active since 2008 and has yeast from Denver and So CA.

Suzi


Suzi, I think I skipped Miss Schaffer's class that day, but wish I hadn't!  I probably would have started making butter much sooner! ;)

I bet you can get some GREAT cream along with some great compost!