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Subject: Looking to Buy JH Adriatic Replies: 22
Posted By: mountainman0826 Views: 1,317
 
It's a minor point, but now I'm curious.  In standard fig nomenclature, are the two "thumbs" on a leaf considered separate lobes?  When I have time, I'll have to dust off my old references (or fire up the hard drive;) ) and find out for sure.  At any rate, the JH Adriatic leaves range from entire (one leaf with no additional projections) to seven lobes (if you count the thumbs as separate lobes).

Subject: difference b/t Adriatic JH and Adriatic Replies: 79
Posted By: mountainman0826 Views: 9,285
 
All of you are most welcome.  Although I haven't met most of you personally, it is nice to know that you all are enjoying one of our favorite figs. Herman, although we have not met, I do know at least one of your friends personally. He drops by and visits me occasionally. I have followed your posts with interest over the years and have a great deal of respect for your knowledge and opinions regarding fig varieties and culture.  If the DNA study is done, it will be interesting to see where the JH Adriatic falls in the pantheon of fig varieties. Regardless of which varieties it turns out to be most closely related to, it's a great fig!

Subject: difference b/t Adriatic JH and Adriatic Replies: 79
Posted By: mountainman0826 Views: 9,285
 
It is good to see that there is an interest in the fig tree that grows on my property.  (I am the owner of the original JH Adriatic fig tree.  I am not egotistical enough to have named it that, but it somehow became known by that name as it made its way around in the trade! I am Joseph (Joe) Hood, a chiropractor in Austin, Texas.)  The tree was a mature in-ground tree on our property when we moved to our property in 2001, and was thought by the original owner to have been 7 or 8 years old at that time. By my reckoning, the tree should now be somewhere around 20 or 21 years old.  I would guess, but do not know, that the tree may have been purchased from a local nursery years ago, as there is an identical mature tree on a property a couple of blocks down our street. The leaves are very variable in shape, ranging from entire to five-lobed with two thumbs, as demonstrated by the attached photographs.  Over the years, the tree has shown next to no signs of infestation by FMV, although there have been a few leaves that have shown signs on a couple of occasions.  I suspect, as has been postulated, that most figs carry the FMV virus.  Whether they show signs or not may be a function of the individual tree's resistance to the virus. My JH Adriatic is next to two good-sized Mission trees, both of which invariably show mottling characteristic of FMV.  The mottling of Mission leaves was noted by Condit. It is correct that I guessed that my tree was an Adriatic variant.  I have never thought or stated that it is identical to the Davis Adriatic.  My tree's characters, as compared to the Adriatic characters cited by Condit (other than the leaves and perhaps the eye), appeared to match that variety more closely than any other variety that he described, so I guessed that it might be closely related to the Adriatic.  Perhaps the exact relationship of the JH Adriatic to Adriatic will be documented when DNA testing of the tree is done, as Jon has told me may be done at some time in the future.  Jon and I recently corresponded, and as he requested, I plan to send him a large shipment of JH Adriatic cuttings when I trim my tree next spring.  I have chosen to meet the considerable demand for JH Adriatic cuttings through Jon Verdick, the moderator of Figs4Fun, as I believe that he is best equipped to provide JH rooted plants (or cuttings, if he desires) to those interested in obtaining them. I am not actively trading fig cultivars or cuttings.  Please do not request JH Adriatic cuttings from me personally. I have provided JH Adriatic cuttings to many individuals in the past, but the demand has outstripped my ability to respond to the numerous requests, and I do not plan to send cuttings to individuals. Contact Jon, as I can attest that I am the source of his JH Adriatic cuttings.  The JH Adriatic is a very fine fig; arguably, when all factors are considered, the best of the 50+ varieties in my collection. Of course, that doesn't prevent me from eating all of the other varieties I can get my hands on, when they are in season! In recent years, my tree has produced 90+ lb. of high quality figs each year. The tree produces only a handful of large brebas. The vast majority of the figs are from the main crop.  The fig holds up fairly well in rainy weather.  Heavy rains may cause a few of the mature figs to split. If rains continue for a week or two unabated during the period when the figs are ripening, then the figs begin to sour and spoil and the leaves of the JH Adriatic "rust".  Fortunately, the fig matures from the last half of July into the first part of August here in Austin, a period in which the weather is hot and dry, ideal for ripening flavorful figs.  Hopefully, this information, from the original owner of the fig, will prove helpful to those who would like to add it to their collection.

Best Wishes,                                                                                                                                  

Joe Hood



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Subject: Dr. Edmund Newton O'Rourke, Jr. Replies: 13
Posted By: mountainman0826 Views: 1,109
 
Even though I didn't know Dr. O'Rourke, in 2004, when he was 80, I called him from Austin, Texas and he was kind enough to share some information with me. He told me (and I immediately wrote down) that he bred the Hollier fig and that Celeste was the female parent of Hollier. He said that he also bred LSU Everbearing. Dr. O'Rourke said that Smith fig, a heirloom Louisiana fig, was named for Charles Becknell Smith, a nurseryman in Belle Chasse near New Orleans. I was very impressed with the clarity of Dr. O'Rourke's mind and grateful that he took the time to speak with me.  I also have his book "Gardening in the Humid South" - a good read.

Subject: Breba On JH Adriatic Pix! Replies: 30
Posted By: mountainman0826 Views: 2,616
 
Attached are some pictures of the JH Adriatic tree, fruit and leaf. For comparison, there is also a picture of the JH Adriatic fruit and Battaglia Green fruit and leaf side-by-side.

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Subject: Breba On JH Adriatic Pix! Replies: 30
Posted By: mountainman0826 Views: 2,616
 
You are all very welcome. Even though I haven't met any of you personally, I feel as if I know you from reading your posts over the years. I appreciate all that you all have done to share the exceptional varieties of figs.  BTW, Jon (the moderator of this forum) should be a good source of rooted JH Adriatics (assuming that demand hasn't outstripped supply), since I sent him a good quantity of JH Adriatic cuttings early this spring.

Subject: Breba On JH Adriatic Pix! Replies: 30
Posted By: mountainman0826 Views: 2,616
 
JH Adriatic has the some of the same characteristics in Zone 8b Texas as in New Jersey. On a mature (about 20 yr. old) tree, it only produces a handful of breba figs each year. Like many brebas, the figs tend to be significantly larger than the main crop figs. The main crop is extremely prolific. Although a large portion of this year's main crop soured and ruined due to an abnormally rainy two week period in July about the time that the main crop began to ripen, in 2010 and 2011 the tree produced over 90 lb. of figs each year. The tree was on our place and about 7 years old when we moved here in 2001. I called the tree Adriatic, even though the leaves differ from the UC Davis Adriatic, based on its similarity to the traits that Condit described for Adriatic in the Monograph. I do think that it is closely related to the Adriatic. It would be interesting to see what a DNA analysis of the JH Adriatic vs. Adriatic would show in terms of relationship. The brebas usually mature in June in Austin, TX although this year some matured in May. The main crop of figs usually mature over a two week period in mid-July.

Subject: pictures of my Fig Tree Replies: 8
Posted By: mountainman0826 Views: 1,093
 
Chris,

Sometimes the e-mail doesn't get through to me. Also send a "PM" (Private Message) if you wish.

Joe

Subject: pictures of my Fig Tree Replies: 8
Posted By: mountainman0826 Views: 1,093
 
Hi, Chris,

It sounds like you are really a country boy - hunting, fishing and growing figs! I live in Austin, Texas and have grown many varieties of figs for a number of years. Feel free to contact me by e-mail and I'll be happy to share what I have learned with you.

Joe

Subject: Uncle James' Miracle Fig Salve ©2010 Replies: 14
Posted By: mountainman0826 Views: 1,611
 
James,

You are welcome anytime - just send us an e-mail or give us a call to be sure we are in town.

Joe

Subject: Uncle James' Miracle Fig Salve ©2010 Replies: 14
Posted By: mountainman0826 Views: 1,611
 

Hi, James! Hope all is well in Houston.  It makes sense that fig sap (which contains the proteolytic substance ficin) could be effective against bee or wasp stings if applied quickly enough, as bee and wasp venom is a complex mixture of proteins, enzymes and amino acids. If the ficin deactivates many of these components, then the symptoms of the sting should be greatly decreased. If I used this remedy, though, it would be a matter of choosing between the symptoms of the sting and the intense itching, welts and sores that fig sap causes on my skin. I minimize the symptoms by using gloves and long sleeves when picking figs.


Subject: Fig Taste Replies: 7
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Taste is subjective.  Obviously, people's senses of taste and smell differ. In school years ago, we did the classic biology/genetics experiment with the bitter-tasting chemical PTC (thiourea). Some people could scarcely tolerate the taste and others could not taste it at all. Smell is also an important factor in taste. Some of the subtle aspects of the sense we perceive as taste are actually due to the sense of smell. My wife can perceive the fragrance of certain varieties of roses that I cannot and I can perceive the fragrance of other varieties of roses that she cannot perceive. Durian fruit is famous for its bad smell. Even among Asians, Durian fruit is loved by some and hated by others.  My own experience is that if you can ignore the smell, that the creamy texture of the fruit and the taste are very good, once one has grown accustomed to it.

Subject: What causes ripening? Replies: 45
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A link to an article on some interesting experiments performed by UC Davis, UC Extension, Louise Ferguson, et al:

http://groups.ucanr.org/freshfig/Growth_Regulator/

In the experiments, ethylene releasing agents and ethylene inhibitors were applied to the figs and branches of different fig varieties. Results were mixed, with fig ripening being stimulated, but leaf drop also increased. At high dosages of the ethylene releasing agent, death of the branches occurred. Application of a drop of olive oil to the eye of a fig can also hasten ripening, particularly in some varieties like Hardy Chicago. I am not likely to utilize ethylene releasing agents on my figs. In regard to oiling, except when it is clear that figs will not ripen before frost, it is a good idea to let figs ripen naturally, as oiling the eye can have an adverse effect on the quality of the mature fig. As previously stated in this thread, heredity plays a large role in the ripening cycle of different fig varieties. In my opinion, both heat and the amount of sunshine also play a large role in the speed of ripening. In Austin, Texas, during the rainy summer of 2007, the ripening of many varieties of figs was delayed by several weeks. For the average fig gardener, the best way to optimize speed of ripening of your figs is to place your figs in a sunny area or trim overhanging branches that interfere with sunlight reaching your figs.

Subject: Lynnhurst white Replies: 8
Posted By: mountainman0826 Views: 1,576
 
Last year, in Austin, Texas, Lyndhurst White was insipid (tasteless) on both the potted tree and the in-ground tree. There was an unusual amount of rain last summer in Austn. That is not the case this summer, as the weather is hot and dry. However, the issue will not be settled for Austin this year, as the small in-ground tree has not produced fruit this summer. The fruit is very large and the foliage attractive on the Lyndhurst White.

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Subject: Texas Celeste Replies: 15
Posted By: mountainman0826 Views: 1,765
 

Jon's picture of the "Celeste" fruit meets my criteria for Celeste except for the pulp color, which is pink here in Texas. The presence of wild caprifigs in Jon's area and the fertility of Jon's cultivars (Vista Mission) brings to mind the possibility that the pulp is a deeper red due to caprification. Condit mentions a difference in the pulp color of fig cultivars when the fig has been caprified. The pulp of a number of Jon's cultivars that I also have in my collection seem to have a darker, more intense color. Of course, the difference could be due to climate.

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Subject: Lattarula Replies: 7
Posted By: mountainman0826 Views: 2,481
 

Ditto to what the Moderator said.  Paradise Nursery sold Marseilles (a variety once favored by President Thomas Jefferson at Monticello) as Italian Honey. Some sources say that Lattarula is the same as Marseilles. Another synonym for Marseilles is "Lemon Fig".


Subject: Choice of top 12 figs Replies: 46
Posted By: mountainman0826 Views: 31,492
 

Adriatic, Alma, Bourjasotte Grise, Celeste, Col de Dame Noir, Green Ischia, Harry's Fig (Poulette), Hollier, Hunt, Kadota, LSU Gold, Mission, Smith, Violette de Bordeaux, Vista Mission

 

There are several others that may vie for the list, once I have had a chance to sample the fruit: Aldo, Black Madiera, Gentile, Paradiso (depending on which one it is!) and Trojano.


Subject: Black Madeira Replies: 50
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In reference to OttawanZ5's query, I would opine that healthy green growth should be left on the cutting because the leaves with their chlorophyll serve to capture light energy and transfer it to the fig. If the leaves are removed, the energy stored in the cutting that was used in the production of those leaves is lost. If no roots emerge, then the leaves will wither in time, due to lack of water and other nutrients. (Someone such as Al, from the Fig and Garden Forum, probably has a more precise and technical explanation of what occurs.) Emerging small figs on the cutting should be removed, since their growth will result in a net loss of energy to the cutting and little, if any, potential gain. The bottom line is, that in order to thrive, the cutting will need both leaves and roots. It seems sensible to try to preserve the leaves long enough in order for the roots to emerge. Empirically, I notice with my cuttings, that the leaves have to be kept in a medium that is sufficiently moist, preferably surrounded with humid air, in order to prevent the leaves withering prior to root growth. My cuttings don't seem to do as well if they are in an area that is dehumidified (with an air conditioning system). The outside air on our back deck (open to the air, but with a roof overhead) is much more humid. The temperature varies a good deal (from the upper 40's F to over 80 F), but seems to be the best environment for me to root the cuttings with minimal intervention. As the season has progressed in Zone 8B Texas, there is much less variation in temperature, and the range is more conducive to rooting and active growth of the cuttings. To control the humidity of the cuttings indoors, a covering of some sort is helpful, such as plastic hairnets over the cups. Of course, in such an environment, mold is always a concern. With my cuttings exposed to the open air, even with very high humidity, I don't seem to have much problem with mold.


Subject: Merry Christmas Replies: 8
Posted By: mountainman0826 Views: 1,340
 
 For the Lord thy God bringeth thee into a good land, a land of brooks of water, of fountains and depths that spring out of valleys and hills;
 A land of wheat, and barley, and vines, and fig trees, and pomegranates; a land of oil olive, and honey; (Deuteronomy 8: 7-8

 
Merry Christmas to all of my fig friends! May all things good come to you in this coming year!

Joe

Subject: What varieties do members grow and where? Replies: 40
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Hey, Woody!

My wife Tina, who is Vietnamese, just shakes her head and says, "What you do with so many figs? I call you Mr. Fig!" I spend entirely too much time fooling with them, but since I have a "collecting gene", at least I can eat the fruit of my collection!

BTW, I remembered several more figs in my collection: Battaglia Green, Hunt, Lyndhurst White, Sal's Fig and several additional heirloom sources of Celeste.

Joe

Subject: What varieties do members grow and where? Replies: 40
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Following is a list of my cultivars - most of them anyway! Joe H.

 

Adriatic

Alma

Atreano

Aunt Alma's Fig (Undetermined Variety)

Banana (Kadota)

Binella (Kadota)

Black Jack

Blue Giant

Bourjasotte Grise

Breva (Higo Negro)

Brunswick

Calimyrna

Celeste

Col De Dame Noire

Conadria

Deanna

Desert King

      Diredo

Dotatto (Kadota - Lowes)

Double Header

Eastern Brown Turkey

Excel

Fico Di Ruvo

Flanders

Galbun

Gentile

Giant Amber

Golden Celeste

Green Ischia

Gulbun

Hardy Chicago

Harry's Fig (Poulette?)

Jurupa

Hollier

LSU Gold

LSU Purple

Marseilles Italian Golden Honey Fig

Mary Lane

Mission

Nazarti

Nero Caesar

Panachee

Patrick's Supergiant (Malcom's Supergiant)

Royal Vineyard (Drap D'or)  

Sierra (6-38W)

Stanford Caprifig

Sultane

Tena

Terry's Fig (Celeste)

Verte

Violette De Bordeaux

Vista Mission

White Texas Everbearing 

 

 

 

 



Subject: Hollier Sweetness - Worst to First Replies: 25
Posted By: mountainman0826 Views: 9,381
 

Dan,

In 2004, I spoke briefly with Dr. E. O'Rourke about the LSU figs. I also asked him about the Smith fig. The Smith fig, although not a product of the LSU program, is a fig that has been grown for many years in Louisiana. Dr. O'Rourke stated that the fig was named for Thomas Becknell Smith, a nurseryman in Belle Chasse, Louisiana. As you say, the Smith fig is a good fig. I found that it retained its flavor during the unusually heavy rains this summer in Austin. The external appearance of the fig seems to vary a good bit depending on weather conditions, although the interior remains red. Last year, my potted Smith Fig was uniformly green with a deep red interior. This year, I planted the fig in-ground, and the exterior was shaded with purple. A picture from a friend of mine from whom I received the fig shows the fig as yellow with a shading of red.

Joe

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Subject: Yellow Neches Pix Replies: 8
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I have read sources that speculated that "Neches" and "Natchez" are actually the same word. There was a town in Texas many years ago that was referred to as "Natchez on the Neches (River)". The name Natchez was, I believe, derived from the Natchez Indians of the Southeast United States, a tribe peripherally related to the Aztecs and other Mesoamerican tribes. One of the earliest trails through the South was known as the "Natchez Trace". I suspect that, given the evidence of the "Yellow Neches" fig in Jamestown, VA, that the fig was carried by settlers to Texas from Virginia or points west. The fig may have been grown on the Neches River or may have been brought via the Natchez Trace. The origin of the name may be lost to the mists of time. At any rate, it is good to know that the "Yellow Neches" may have potential as a "gourmet" fig. The taste and performance of figs are notoriously capricious, subject to the vagaries of climate and soil. To those of us for whom taste is more important than commercial potential (size and number of crops), the opinions of an authority such as Condit are important and certainly to be considered. However, from reading his work, I believe that for him, the commercial potential of a fig had a higher priority than the taste of the fig alone. I do not have "Yellow Neches" in my collection, but I will give it a try!


Subject: Yellow Neches Pix Replies: 8
Posted By: mountainman0826 Views: 5,441
 

Interesting to hear your favorable opinion regarding Yellow Neches, Jon! Condit was not very impressed with it in Hilgardia, but there have been other figs that he did not care for that I thought were quite good. Yellow Neches is a pioneer fig that was collected from Angleton, Texas in 1929 (The Neches is a river in east Texas.) Condit commented that a specimen of the tree was also noted in Jamestown, VA in 1940.


Subject: WELCOME Replies: 12
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Jon,

Thanks very much for your efforts in documenting the rich diversity of Ficus Carica. We wish you the greatest success in your new enterprise!

Joe