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Subject: Something is gnawing my Fig trees :( Replies: 10
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I had similar issues that occurred mid autumn.  After going through the list of suspects, a trap confirmed that it was a packrat.  They mostly just bothered my young trees, sometimes cutting them off close to the soil line.   They were using the sticks for nesting material.  This problem has repeated itself several years, but prompt trapping will take care of the issue.

Another possibility might be voles although damage from them seems to be the stripping of bark above ground and below ground.

Byron (Ingevald)

Subject: Hand Fig Pollination Procedure Replies: 20
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Thank you very much for posting this information and the good photos.  I've read about the various non-wasp methods and it is very pleasing to see a successful endeavor of this sort.   I'm interested in trying this someday.
Byron

Subject: Japanese Fig growing techniques - イチジクの栽培 Replies: 7
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I've had good luck with the Google Translate option https://translate.google.com/ , however translation of Japanese is not that good with the program, unlike Germanic languages, Spanish, Italian, etc.    Translations are rough but it is possible to figure out what is going on.    For example there is a word that translates as "seedling" but actually for our purposes should say "cutting."  There are others.

The documents in my post above were too large to be translated as an entire document, but you can cut and past sections for a rough translation.

There are programs that can take spoken language and translate.  I've not investigated these options.  If anyone has a good recommendation, that would be very helpful.   How, for example would a YouTube video audio be run through a program?

Thanks,
Byron (Ingevald) 

Subject: Japanese Fig growing techniques - イチジクの栽培 Replies: 7
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I’ve made several posts over the years about Japanese fig growing methods including espellier (step over), hydroponic, greenhouse, etc. I did some more research last fall but got derailed due to elder care related issues. Things are looking better at the moment...

Below, I have a collection of interesting videos, documents and photos that may be of interest.
 
Videos:
1)
 - very neatly trained figs growing outdoors in a field, harvesting, processing, off to market
2)
  - Greenhouse fig growing operation, harvesting process, large figs. 
3)
  - interview with a greenhouse fig grower (in Japanese) 
4)
 - Start at 2 min 38 sec for the beginning of the fig part. A bit goofy but interesting.  
5)
 - An interview with a fig farmer with his orchard.  
 
Some documents:
1)  http://www.pref.aichi.jp/nososi/seika/singijutu/singijiyutu104.pdf  This is a document about grafting scion on “blight” resistant rootstock.  I think this is nematode resistant rootstock.    Training of the plant, etc., is discussed.   There are some good directions if time is taken to work out the translation.
2)  http://www.ari.pref.niigata.jp/nourinsui/manual/ichijiku/ktichimanu.pdf  - cutting propagation, cultivation, pruning
 
Some photos - 
2)http://userdisk.webry.biglobe.ne.jp/005/156/95/N000/000/002/128576762020416226443.jpg - a beautiful photo showing the espalier method, all ship shape!   
3) http://www.kannonyama.net/ichijiku/IMG_0327.JPG   - another amazing photo of their meticulous arrangement. 
4) http://blog-imgs-36-origin.fc2.com/m/a/n/manchounouen/PICT0118.jpg  This photo came from this blog http://manchounouen.blog83.fc2.com/category12-1.html     This is an interesting photo showing figs growing in containers using a hydroponic soilless system. 
5) http://img01.hamazo.tv/usr/e/n/s/enshokupj/IMG_1718.JPG    Another well manicured orchard.
6)  http://www.waa-bc.com/agri/shimane/いちじく.JPG   - One last photo showing figs growing in containers using a hydroponic soilless system.   It is just astounding to see them grown this way. 
 
I think that some of this will be interesting, especially for those of you that have thought about the "step over" fig growing methods (espalier), and those that have had interests in greenhouse culture.   I also find the images very satisfying to look at.
 
Enjoy - 
Byron (Ingevald)

Subject: Figs and the 'Solar Geothermal' Greenhouse Replies: 11
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Hello - Yes, this was my original posting.   I've been sidetracked due to other happenings in life (elder parent care being the current issue).  I occasionally collect research materials and think about this concept.   I've not written any papers on the topic other than what appeared on this posting and the original posting.   I think that the book that Kyle mentioned will be very informative.  

The original operation that I wrote about is likely still in operation near St. Louis.  I've not been in contact with him for a while but had a report a couple of summers ago that he was still selling figs at the market.

Remember that there are two variations of this "geothermal" heating system.   The book that has been mentioned may have other additional information.    Anyway, there is the system that Ivan uses near St. Louis that has been described in my postings.   I may have mentioned it in another posting, but Russ Finch in Alliance, NE has a similar system but it is different because it is pulling heat out of the ground continuously and not using daytime replenished heat like Ivan's system.   http://www.citrusinthesnow.com/    Both systems work.   Ivan's will leave your greenhouse less humid and Russ' system will be more humid. Anyway, the info is in the postings for further research.   

Thanks again for the followup postings.   If anyone has additional contributions (photos, new books, scientific papers, articles, etc) please post the information.

Take care,
Byron (Ingevald)

Subject: Figs and the 'Solar Geothermal' Greenhouse Replies: 11
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Thanks for the resurrection of this posting and the concept.   I am very appreciative of the mentioning of the book "The Forest Garden Greenhouse."   I look forward to getting that resource sometime soon.   
 
Thanks!

Byron (Ingevald)

Subject: Valley's Gold - PBS program on California Fig Production Replies: 5
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Thanks for the correction on the link!   I forgot to mention that there are some interesting bits of history related to fig growing in California contained in the presentation.  
Byron

Subject: Valley's Gold - PBS program on California Fig Production Replies: 5
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I came across a very interesting and educational video about fig production and processing in California.  (I don't think that this has been posted yet)     http://valleypbs.org/valleysgold/episode-5-figs/    It starts out with a large fig grower called the Specialty Crop Company then moves to a processing plant.
Byron (Ingevald)

Subject: RKN! Replies: 11
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It is interesting reading the responses so far about folks who have had to deal with it in their collections.  I've had it show up in my plants a few times over the years.   I annually check each plant by pulling it out of its pot in the spring time (checking right now) and do this over a large plastic container to contain any contamination that might show up.    I've caught infestations before they got out of control, at least I think I have it under control.   Nothing last year and so far so good this year.

When I have found infected plants, it is usually from a recent acquisition or I have also suspected that it could have been picked up from a local location where a pot was in contact with the ground.  

When a problem is discovered, I carefully remove the plant from the soil if it is a small plant (I do this over a plastic bag lined garbage can).   I trim the roots a bit and then give it a soaking in 120 deg water for about 15 minutes.   (I've written about the warm water solution before)   This has always been successful at killing the RKN and only once did I loose a plant.

You can also "quarantine" the plant (on a warm concrete driveway - I think the nematodes would cook quickly if eggs or nematodes escaped the pot in that environment).   I think that the air layer would work - make sure no soil contacts the layer!    You could also try rooting a cutting.

Byron




Subject: Iranian Shirazi Fig Species? Replies: 4
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From my research a few years back, it is most likely that these are ficus carica, a Smyrna type.  The leaves do have a certain look for sure but appear to have a characteristic look that is similar to some caprifigs and seedlings of Sari Lop (that I have grown), the great Turkish fig variety used in dried fig production.  Sari Lop, aka Calmyrna (over here in the States), is a Smyrna type fig.

Byron (Ingevald)

Subject: Successful Potting Mix Recipes_Peat, Bark and Mineral Based Ingredients Replies: 66
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This is an excellent thread.   I am appreciative of the information being shared.   I am still learning about soil mixes and slowly experiment over time.  

I started off with a modified "gritty mix" of equal portions of coarse perlite, small pine bark bits and calcined clay.   I added dolomitic limestone to the mix, minimum 2 cups per 20 gallons of mix.   I've started adding more over the years based on reports from others. I found that this mix resulted in a good distribution of roots but did dry out rapidly. The well distributed root mass was really amazing, contrasting to the issue of the roots all ending up in the bottom of the pot.

I've since modified it by adding to the mix above about %25 well decomposed compost and some medium sized sand.   It seems to be better for my purposes.    I also have experimented with different fertilizers but think that is not within the scope of this thread and don't have any worthwhile conclusions at this time.

I've not studied container mixes in great depth, but have relied on suggested mixes (and supplement recommendations) from others.   I checked with some fig growers a few years ago and found that mixes were all over the map, yet were very satisfactory for each of the growers.  Here are a few. (dolomitic limestone is added to all)

1)  Gritty mix - already mentioned
2)  Gritty mix mixed 50:50 with ProMix or Ultimate Potting Mix
3)  2 parts pinebark (small size), 1 part composted cow manure, 1 part perlite and a handful of ground limestone.
4)  ProMix (or other quality potting mix) but adding more perlite
5)  Equal parts of a) composted "top soil"  b) calcined clay  c) coco bean hulls or shells d) coir
6)  mixture of top soil & compost, pine bark and perlite - equal proportions of these three
7) Composted manure, perlite and well composted compost - equal proportions
8)  Some folks were experimenting by substituting peat with coir (coconut fiber)
9)  Bill Muzychko's mix http://figs4fun.com/bills_figs.html   "The mix has lots of organics in it.   It has a lot of dirt in it"    Don't know the exact details, but his large container grown figs look great.

Some of the above have probably already been mentioned.   I just think that it is interesting that a diverse variety of mixes works well.   Aside from the basic soil mix, other important factors include:  watering schedule, fertilizer & mineral supplements, mycorrhizae, pot size, soil temp, sun exposure, etc.

Byron (Ingevald)

Subject: Anyone using gutter heating cable for fig freeze protection? Replies: 5
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This is an interesting idea.   I was introduced to figs by a guy in southern Pennsylvania who trimmed his trees back so that the trunk could be easily wrapped.    He ran some heat tape up the trunk of his well wrapped trees and only turned it on during the coldest nights.

I live near Kansas City (zone 5) and put a wooden box around my very first fig (lots of effort and will not do that again).   I trimmed it up and put a 4' tall 2' wide box around it with some fiberglass insulation.   I ran an extension cord out to the box with a 15 watt bulb inside.   When it got down to 8 deg or lower, I plugged it in for the night.   I never had any freeze damage.

The heating cable seems to come in long lengths and am not sure if they could be adjusted.  Shorter heat tape might work but it all depends on how cold it gets where you live, how well you wrapped the tree and how well your wrapping is integrated into the ground.

Byron (Ingevald)

Subject: Fig Burial Mounds Replies: 11
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That looks like a good way to cover them.   The espalier fig that I am growing in the community fruit tree orchard is being covered in a similar way.     Our available material was mulch, and some of it was decomposed.    I piled it on top and hope that it deep enough. We have already had single digit temps.  There is always a looming rodent risk - voles or mice.   I'll probably check on it every so often to see how it is doing.   I will also put a tarp on top.   Here is the posting that shows the fig in the orchard - http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/espalier-fig-project-japanese-method-7094805?&trail=50     I also covered up a pomegranate that we are growing by bending the branches to the ground and covering with the same mix.

Byron (Ingevald)

Subject: A nice video how dried figs in Turkey are produced Replies: 9
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Thank you very much for posting the video link.   It is not often that there is a chance to see the orchards or the processing facilities.

Byron (Ingevald)

Subject: Wanted: Agrigento cuttings Replies: 12
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From a conversation I had with Hanc Mathies several years ago, he told me that some of the figs he collected were adjacent to prominent structures.   He would look at TV programs or brochures of a well known site and be amused to see the nearby fig tree that he was familiar with.

I looked at the Agrigento fig origin issue before.   The only information I had was that it originated next to a Greek temple.    I did some searching and a likely candidate is the Concordia Temple in Agrigento (southern Sicily).   

I found some photos at that time and some are still online that show a fig tree prominently situated in front of the temple.   The leaves are similar.   There are also other fig trees growing in the immediate area of this temple.

I don't know for sure if this is "the" fig tree or not, or if this is the correct location.  It is rare that we see a picture of a parent fig tree "in situ"  (the origin of a particular tree that is in circulation).     Here are some links to some nice photos of Concordia Temple with the possible fig tree growing off to one side.

Photo #1
Photo #2
Photo #3

Byron (Ingevald)

Subject: Vole damage - amazing resurrection Replies: 7
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It feels like I am filing the annual varmint destruction report involving voles, packrats, etc. In February 2013 I reported on a devastating vole episode that I thought had completely killed my three outdoor figs.   One recovered that year but felt certain that the other two were gone (one was a 9 year old tree).   

  So, no signs of life throughout 2013 and had not noticed anything through mid summer 2014.    While making the rounds in my yard, gathering up my potted figs, I walked through the remote part of the yard where the other figs once grew and discovered that the two that were "dead" for more than a year had sent up a shoot from below.

 I've posted some stories about figs that I thought were dead after winter storage in my garage.   Then the pot containing the "dead" fig came to life in July.

It is apparent that figs are tenacious.   I was quite surprised to see this today!

By the way, a packrat has only trimmed a few of my figs this late fall.  Traps are set!

Byron (Ingevald) 


Subject: Are my potted figs in danger? Replies: 9
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Hello,
    27 deg should be fine.   When I first started growing figs in containers I was very nervous about leaving them out when a light freeze hit.    We are supposed to hit the mid 20's Friday night and I'll leave them out.   These temps will knock off the leaves and set them in dormancy mode.   Within a couple of weeks, depending on the temps, I will move them inside.   Temps in the low 20's would be more concerning to me but have not (that I have noticed) experienced any problems because of exposing them to this range of temperatures.
   As mentioned, there is always a chance that temps will dip colder than predicted.  If you have only a few and are concerned, drag them inside.
Ingevald

Subject: cool ideal for cheep year round greenhouse Replies: 13
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I've run across this design before and in certain places I think it has been a very useful/functional.  I've thought about the principles involved with this sort of structure as they are related to the solar geothermal type of system that can accompany a hoop house or a more significant structure.   As pointed out in the post above, there are some issues to consider - drainage, wall support (you don't want a collapse), excavation costs, etc.    
 
There will be a cost with whatever system one is setting up.   Short term cheap systems end up costing more in the long run because of skin replacement, collapse because of a cheap structure, etc.    Of course there are designs that can be less expensive (short and long run) and that takes some research and creativity.

On my city lot I just have a very inexpensive structure I put together with recycled wood and greenhouse grade uv resistant poly plastic.   No heating, just a spring through fall structure for house plants and fig starts - it mostly meets current needs.   I have however, spent time looking at other options for my "dream" greenhouse if I can acquire land.    Things can get expensive fast...

Here is another option that might be worth some thought.   Here is an old posting http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1279902821&postcount=32 about this guy in Alliance, Nebraska.    It is a variation on the solar geothermal design, different in that it is just pulling heat from the ground as opposed to a system that actively adds heat for use on a daily cycle.  The resultant humidity control is different also. There is a booklet about this project and other articles and a YouTube video that can be found.   http://newenergyandfuel.com/http:/newenergyandfuel/com/2010/01/22/the-missing-geothermal-technology/ 

Anyway, not trying to send this thread in a different direction.  It was just on my mind since the greenhouse type that you posted is quite interesting and useful if designed well and in a proper setting.  Greenhouses are exciting projects to think about.

Byron (Ingevald)

Subject: Japanese fig culture - some links Replies: 13
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Andy - thanks again for the translation efforts.   It led to something new and surprising - another patent of the step-over method in Japan.  

So, after some diligent searching I found this nifty document イチジク果実の生産方法 - "Production Methods of Fig Fruit."   That patent application number led me to this document and diagrams -  http://astamuse.com/ja/published/JP/No/2012125213    Here is a link to the Google translation.  
 
This patent arrived two years after the Flaishman patent "Culture of Edible Figs" in 2010.  It just seems odd to me that such things could be patented.   I was under the impression that a variation of the technique has been used in Japan for many decades.  

I've not had time to study it but it is certainly going to be interesting, just like these other interesting documents, photos and other resources that get discovered along the way.

Lastly, here is the person in Japan who applied for that patent, Hosomi Akihiro  http://researchmap.jp/read0001847/   There are several papers that you can download from his site about figs, etc.

Byron  (Ingevald)

Subject: Japanese fig culture - some links Replies: 13
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Andy - thanks for the translation - I had actually not completed the rough translation on that document.   The patent(?) issue is interesting and will do some research on that aspect.   Very interesting!
Byron

Subject: Japanese fig culture - some links Replies: 13
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Grasa - I don't have that problem here.    Here is the link spelled out  http://www.treecrops.org.nz/crops/fruit/fig/ and the title of page is "Tree Crops"  "New Zealand Tree Crops Association" and then "Fig" "ficus carica"    A Google search got me to the page.   Let me know if you are still having trouble getting to the page.

Byron

Subject: Japanese fig culture - some links Replies: 13
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I have not studied in-depth the hydroponic methods that have been devised for fig culture.    I came across this approach many years ago when I first started researching Japanese fig production.  (here is the only link still working from an old posting of mine that shows a photo of one particular arrangement) 

I am aware of operations in Japan and also in Korea that are using these techniques to boost productivity and yes, the production numbers are fantastic.    However, when considering the inputs, energy costs and other costs of such an arrangement, it may not be a very sustainable long-term method.   I am nonetheless quite fascinated by the processes that have been devised.

Interestingly, I came across an abstract that describes a process for adding supplemental electric lighting to make up for the lack of seasonal solar sun hours.   Again, I find the science and process interesting but the excessive use of energy absurd.

There was a question about the taste of the figs produced hydroponically.   I do not have an answer but can only make assumptions.   If conditions were right (plenty of heat and light), the taste might be just fine.

I still think it is possible for a small production orchard to be successful in a modified intensive arrangement, using a more "organic" approach.   a) Employ state of the art pruning practices  b) Utilize best & safe pest management/prevention practices   c)  Work out an organic nutrient supply - mulch, compost, possibly incorporating biochar in the mix.  d)  Experiment with other parameters, including a shelter/greenhouse but allowing for rain to hit the soil part of the year.

This document has been posted on the forum before - it is the patent by Moshe Flaishman (Israel) titled "Culture of Edible Figs."    Aside from our concerns about whether or not this process can be patented, I think that the document brilliantly outlines what it takes to squeeze the most production out of a fig tree.  I was highly impressed by the outlined methods when I saw it for the first time a few years ago, and am still impressed.  The process is open to a variety of modifications.      Using the basic principles and some experimentation should lead to workable models that are more organic in nature.

One last item - I just found another interesting link - the New Zealand Tree Crops Association has a section on their website about fig culture.    Scroll down and you will find some very good discussion, diagrams on pruning/training following the Japanese methods.   Enjoy!

Byron (Ingevald)

Subject: Japanese fig culture - some links Replies: 13
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I came across some more interesting links on the Japanese culture of figs.    There have been some recent threads on the "step over" Japanese espalier training and other aspects of fig production.    I am not sure if all of these links are new here, but think they are fun to look at and potentially instructive.
 
1)   http://www.kannonyama.com/shopdetail/045000000001/  This may have been posted before, but think it is a very good representation of an outdoor Japanese orchard, intensively cultivated.  

2)  http://www.kannousuiken-osaka.or.jp/_files/00023160/h24-31ichijiku.pdf    This document shows the familiar pruning steps, etc.   Take note of the third photograph.   That fig has quite a trunk on it.   In a previous thread on this topic there was a question, asking if this type of trained fig can get a thick trunk.    It can and from what I have read and seen, most don't make it to this size because of the nature of the intensive growing conditions - they succumb to soil mineralization issues, RKN (sick soil it is called in Japan) or other circumstances that cause decline and are replaced.

3)  http://shigaquo.jp/special/ichijiku/   There are some good photographs of this guy's greenhouse operation.   Note how sterile this greenhouse appears.  A very intensive and well manicured crop.

4)  http://figsakai.blogspot.com/     There is a very good series of (small) photographs that show many aspects of the cultivation of figs.   This operation is a bit more "organic" with exposure to the elements, other vegetation growing with the figs and an opportunity for the mulch to degrade into compost - at least that is the appearance.

5)   http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Julen/20100725    Lastly, another fig operation including the packaging process.   Note the guy dressed in the pesticide application outfit.  
       I would sure like to find information about folks that are growing the figs using this general method, but more organically, sacrificing some productivity.    I have not really come across any examples showing extensive use of compost and examples of IPM (integrated pest management) practices.   It probably exists but has not presented itself to me.  It is likely that the more openly grown figs (outside of a greenhouse cover) could more easily be grown that way.   Still researching...

6)   http://nippongene-analysis.com/fmv/NE0091_Catalog.pdf  Okay, here is a bonus document.  This is the Japanese Fig Mosaic Virus detection kit manual.   I haven't looked into this at all, but was amused and thought it was interesting.

7)  Another item that may or may not have been discussed in regards to this method of pruning is that it will eliminate the breba crop.   By removing the overwintering production branches, there will not be a breba crop.    I am sure that I have some information about this buried in some documents but can't lay my hands on it right now.    Anyway, something to think about.   In a greenhouse though, they could still get an earlier crop if they are able to warm it up earlier in the season and get the fig plants growing.   Also, there is a document (I think in Japanese) that talks about "double cropping" techniques - managing a very productive crop via pruning at specific times.  I am finding that there is a lot to learn about the processes that have been figured out over the decades! 

8) http://jpkc.scau.edu.cn/soilless/papers/upload/201211911212653337.pdf  Document on soil-less culture of figs.  Hydroponic stuff, not sure if this has been posted before.   Thinking of double cropping reminded me of this document.   Extreme production methods...


Anyway, enjoy the links.  I think that all can be run through the Google Translator to get a rough translation.    I'll post more in the future when I have the opportunity.

Byron (Ingevald)

Subject: Tiny miracles in a package :) Replies: 12
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Yes, one of the names is Shirazi, which might be a name that encompasses one of the regions in Iran where they are grown.   There have been some other posts about these figs and there was a good link mentioned above.   One major growing area is Estahban.  If you do a Google Images search on "Estahban Figs" you will find some nice images and other information.    One of the specific varietal names is Sabz and there are others.

I grew some from seed - mostly just for fun since there is almost no chance any of them will turn out to be a common fig type.   They will either be caprifigs or a Smyrna type.    Another good reason to grow them from seed is to get virus free rootstock in case you are doing any experiments along those lines.

 Regarding the male/female genetics and persistent/caducous genetic issues, take a look at post #13 here.   

By the way, those "Shirazi" figs are quite tasty.  They are small dried figs but pack in a lot of flavor.

Take care,

Byron (Ingevald)

Subject: Fresh Fig Quality Standards - Turkey Replies: 9
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Thanks for your comments.   I agree that it must indeed be difficult to meet commercial fig standards.   Yes, a reason that prices are high.   Growing fresh figs for market takes time and attention to the crop.

Appearance (within reason) should not be of huge concern.  Discoloration, size issues, weird shapes, etc., should not really matter as long as the fruit is ripe, not affected by disease or infested with insects, and split open.

There has been discussion about commercially viable fruit before.    So much concern is placed on the color and the inside color.   I remember reading that some otherwise good varieties for commercial production were rejected because of a particular inside color.   This was in regards to the USDA fig breeding program in California.    Sierra and Sequoia were the top commercially viable figs that came out of that program.   However, many of the other crosses have resulted in some very good (if not excellent) figs as well.  They just did not meet all of the parameters that would make them an ideal candidate for commercial fig production.

I think that we are all in agreement that the best figs come from homegrown plants - fully ripened.

I live near Kansas City and fresh figs do show up in stores.   I've seen Conadria, Mission, Brown Turkey, and Sierra.    I've tried all of them and they were all wretched.    Some local folks that I have visited with think they are "okay" but apparently have not experienced a fully ripe fig.    These fresh figs are picked too early and still have the nasty tasting latex inside and are missing the full flavor and sweetness.

Byron (Ingevald)

Subject: Fresh Fig Quality Standards - Turkey Replies: 9
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Hello,
      I found this interesting document about fresh fig quality while researching a related topic.    I've come across similar "quality standard" documents before for both dried and fresh figs but thought this one really stood out.    There are some very nice photographs that illustrate the various quality issues they describe.
    http://www.ekonomi.gov.tr/upload/BD4C7937-070B-D44B-459D8929CBF22C26/Draft%20Fresh%20Figs%20Brochure.pdf 

  The commercial standards seem to be quite stringent and agree with most of the categories of unacceptable defects (related to sales to the public).   I don't agree with the issues of size or color abnormalities.   Is it clean, safe to eat and good tasting?   Anyway, I thought this might be a fun and useful document.

Byron (Ingevald)

Subject: Espalier fig project - Japanese method Replies: 61
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Pete - Thanks for the clarification and describing the soil care in your orchard.  As I was finishing up the previous post, I was thinking that it was the non-decompositional mulch that you were talking about.   I understand.  A healthy living soil is the goal.

Byron



Subject: Espalier fig project - Japanese method Replies: 61
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Pete - I am very interested in a healthy living soil and not interested in creating a dead zone requiring chemical inputs to subsidize plant life.    I am interested someday in growing figs in a greenhouse but am trying to get a grip on various soil issues, hoping to be able to figure out a system that will be mostly sustainable, relying on a functional healthy soil ecosystem, etc.  

  Related to the healthy soil concept, I've also read about charcoal / biochar.  There seem to be some positive results from adding this to the soil.  It provides a home for the microbes, improving the soil's health and giving more back to the plants both moisture and nutrients (a simplified statement, but papers that I have read indicate positive results - more long term experimentation is needed, but looks good).

I am not quite understanding your comment about the "barren or mulched soil between the rows and trees."    I think of mulch as a good thing, it decomposes on the lower layer and more can be added.  It holds moisture, stabilizes soil temp, etc.   Is mulch in this context a problem because of other factors?   Just trying to understand.   (Is this the plastic sheet mulch??)  I've seen the barren areas you are talking about and understand that issue related to soil health.    

The cover crop rotational planting concept is a very good idea.   Something else to consider in regards to long term soil health.

Thanks!

Byron

Subject: Espalier fig project - Japanese method Replies: 61
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Pete - thanks for your informative reply!   I do remember coming across those fertilizer proportions.    They are different from some other recommendations I have come across. I think that I have been using the 3:1:2 ratio fertilizer.   Anyway, I may do some experimentation in that department!  Thanks for the Peters recommendation.

  I just got a note from a friend in Japan regarding the age of fig trees and soil sickness issues in greenhouses.   In greenhouses, soil sickness (mineral and salt build up issues) are apparently a serious concern.   I've come across documents about this, written in Japanese, that I will get some help translating for better understanding.    My friend found information in a book that said the Masui Dauphine matures in 2 to 3 years, becomes fully productive between 7 and 15 years and then weakens.     I seem to have come across similar information but will need to find time to dig up that information, buried deeply in a pile of files on the computer...

   Japanese fig orchards that are outdoors, likely do not have the soil sickness issues but it is still interesting that I have not encountered photos of large girth trees.  Your quote from Ken Love would seem to work well in outdoor orchards.   It is understandable that trees in greenhouses would meet this fate but am still interested to know if there are some open roof type greenhouses to help cure or manage soil problems via some good rainfall.

   I have also seen information about hydroponically grown figs.   I think that I posted some links about that many years ago.   That would probably be one solution for avoiding soil sickness but of course brings on a new set of complexities...

  On we go - Lots of interesting information to share and discuss.

Thanks - 

Byron (Ingevald)   

Subject: Espalier fig project - Japanese method Replies: 61
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Rob - Thanks for your thoughtful reply.   I really appreciated your comment about the possibility of the Japanese greenhouse roofs being opened up to deal with salt build up.    I've spent some time thinking about that issue a lot and do not have any solid information on how watering and mineral build up is dealt with in their system.  A roof that can open seems to be a very good solution.   A good flushing via rain would really make a big difference.     

  I am curious about their regular irrigation method - the amount of water used per plant and how it is delivered (subsurface irrigation, surface drip, etc).   I do know that mulching is part of the plan - either artificial or organic materials.    In the greenhouse the mulch is effective at reducing humidity and keeping moisture in the soil for the plant.

Jdsfrance - Thanks for your thoughts also on this issue.    It is possible that pruning could introduce disease.   I've seen many photographs of these heavily pruned trees and assume that disease is not a big issue although in a closed up greenhouse there potentially be a problem.    The biggest solution to avoid diseases spreading is to sterilize the pruning equipment from tree to tree.

    I've seen photos of heavily pruned fig trees, including one that a neighbor of mine grows that has a very thick trunk.   I have posted a picture from a French nursery that I collected several years ago that shows a thick fig tree in a container with a constrained root area.    I do not know the age of the tree - perhaps 40 years or so.    I don't have direct evidence at hand, but think that the heavily pruned espalier figs in Japan would get thick trunks over time - except that the productivity likely diminishes and then they are replaced.   I could be completely wrong about this but hope to get a definitive answer someday.

Take care,
Byron (Ingevald)
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Subject: Espalier fig project - Japanese method Replies: 61
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Malcolm - That is a good question about trunk caliper size.   I agree that over time, a lateral could get quite large.    I've not recently refreshed my memory on all of the research I did a few years ago on this topic.   However, from the many photos that I have seen, I do not recall seeing any of these production plants with large girths.    From other bits and pieces that I have read, I think that a fig tree, after a certain age, may start loosing its productiveness.    I think that I read that even in regular orchards (California for example), that after x number of years, trees are ripped out and they start over.  Is this correct?

    If it is correct, my assumption is that in the intensive fig production areas (Japan, Korea and one spot in Australia), production is the all important factor.   I think that older (unproductive) trees are removed and new ones are put in their place.   That would probably explain the lack of any photos showing large trunk and lateral girth size.

    This makes me think of another question - how completely are trees removed from the greenhouses, outside orchards, etc?   Do they pull out all of the roots?    What about the soil?   Is some of it excavated in the greenhouses and replaced?    Mineral salt build up in the soil might be a good reason to do that.   We are slowly putting the pieces together for this cultivation method.

 
   Thanks for posing the question.     Any other explanations for this?

Byron (Ingevald)

Subject: Espalier fig project - Japanese method Replies: 61
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Pete - thanks for the thoughts and link to the ground thermal insulation method.  Very interesting!    A few years ago I posted some information about the solar geothermal greenhouse design that I saw.   It was amazing and I still think about it, hoping to have one someday.    The insulation in the ground was absolutely essential for the success of that system and the document you posted really helps.

  So for the community garden, I may need to consider some insulation or put a pretty large heap of mulch on top and spread far?  

 I also appreciated the additional thoughts about rodent control.   It is essential.   Many of us have had rodent issues in our garages, storage sheds, etc.   I remember one posting that Bass made many years ago when rodents destroyed some of his stored plants.  That is a surprise none of us wants to encounter.   

Byron (Ingevald)

Subject: Espalier fig project - Japanese method Replies: 61
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I agree with Pete's thoughts about introducing FMV (or some other agent of disease) to the rootstock.    This happened to me once on a few fig plants.  Years ago when I was not as successful rooting cuttings, I thought that I would graft them on another plant.   Two of my rootstocks soon displayed some vile FMV symptoms.   
   I'd say it would be a good experiment if you have enough material to experiment with.

Ingevald

Subject: Another Espalier Project Replies: 16
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James -   Thanks for posting about your espalier project.    I will be interested to hear how it develops and works out in Colorado!   
Byron (Ingevald)

Subject: Espalier fig project - Japanese method Replies: 61
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Thanks for the sharing your thoughts and information.    This is inspiring me to think more about this project.     Having a better location (lots of sunshine and good airflow) at the community fruit tree orchard will definitely give me a chance to see how a fig plant can perform at its best when trained this way.    I am missing the micro-climate aspect though.   In this northern location (zone 5, although recently more like zone 6 except for last year), it would truly be most productive if it was planted on the south side of a wall.     Lacking my ideal greenhouse, this will be good enough for now.

   Rob asked a few questions above that I will try to answer.   For winter protection I have a basic plan.   After trimming off the vertical branches, I will likely pile mulch over the plant - will try to get a pile at least 6 inches or more above the laterals (this plan is evolving).   I'll put a tarp over the heap of mulch.   I'll use bricks to provide as good a seal to the ground as possible.

    Burying with soil is an option to consider.   Straw is also an option.   I am trying to be cautious due to the remote chance of attracting voles again.    I had used fiberglass in previous years to insulate my box covering one of the figs and did not have voles but when I filled the space with leaves, they apparently thrived in that medium.   I think that I read that mulch is a good option.   I am not sure about straw although a neighbor protects an older tree and uses straw for insulation. 
 
   You did notice the 1/2 inch hardware cloth correctly.    I made a cylinder of this wire mesh and buried it about 6 inches or so.    My only mistake with that is that I did not make the diameter large enough and will have to deal with it someday when the tree expands.    Live and learn...

   Another rodent protection idea might be for me to create a cavity inside with some baited traps.  I am not too keen on using poison, but that could be another option.    The thinking on this is also evolving.  

   The Japanese method seems to have been designed to accomplish the following:
1)  ease of harvest - keeps the fruit at an easy picking level
2)  pruning for production - in combination with other techniques we have discussed on the forums (pinching, etc), the design evolved in Japan to be very productive.   (see production possibilities below)
3)  efficient use of space - maximizing production within available space
4)  I heard or read somewhere that the low profile was favored because of resistance to typhoons - larger trees would sustain more damage or get ripped out.
5)  For northern growers - a low profile maks it easy to cover in the winter after removing the verticals.
6)  Have I missed anything??

   Production, from what I have learned, is very high using this efficient system in greenhouses or out in the open in warmer areas. (Remember that aside from meticulous pruning practices, they apply mulching, use chemicals to control bugs, carefully monitor temperature and very carefully monitor nutrient applications.)     Their primary fig, Masui Dauphine, is big, about 100 grams.   Production numbers are around 2.5 Kg of figs per square meter.    That is a lot of production!

  There are other ways to prune/shape the tree.   The photo that Pete posted is a good example of another espalier form that could work in a warmer climate.  One has to consider the options and and stick with a plan that is sensible and productive for your area.

   Thanks again for the discussion and will look forward to more postings and postings showing the results of our efforts.  

Byron (aka Ingevald)

Subject: Espalier fig project - Japanese method Replies: 61
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Yes, right now it is just tied to some bamboo stakes with nylon cord - that was what was available.    I might move to something more permanent like rebar in the future.    Just a side note - I use rebar in my yard for garden hose guides along pathways.   For safety, I put a tennis ball on top in case someone trips.   I might do that or bend the top if I use it for the fig.    The sharp end just looks unsafe.
   It has been a while since I reviewed documents on the Japanese methods, but seem to remember that they would secure some sort of metal pipe (looks like conduit pipe) at a certain height and then tie the branches to that pipe.    For this small project, anything that secures it and does not strangle the lateral branches should work just fine.   I also think that the trunk will develop some strength over time but will still keep it secured since wind storms are inevitable around here and could tear things up.

Byron (aka Ingevald)

Subject: Espalier fig project - Japanese method Replies: 61
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Hello,
    Sorry for the delay.   Thanks for your comments and thanks Pete, for your experiments on this and for reporting them.  
     I had to find my records to make sure I remembered the variety correctly.    It is Conadria and was planted in June 2013 - a small plant in a one gallon container at the time.    Another local friend had good luck with one and I had an extra.  So, that is what got planted.   Originally I had planted an Atreano, but it wasn't strongly rooted at the time and did not make it.
    Anyway, I am looking forward to next year's results and hoping that voles don't find their way to this delicious morsel in the community fruit tree orchard.
Ingevald

Subject: Espalier fig project - Japanese method Replies: 61
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I am impressed with the interest in the Japanese way of pruning figs.    I posted articles on this topic a few years ago and have seen some good postings about the topic, some of them very recent.    I thought that I would update you with my recent project.

I started training a couple of figs this way a few years ago, but lost both of them to voles.   (Most of my figs are grown in containers).    Two years ago I planted a fig in our community fruit tree orchard.    It froze to the ground due to our severe winter but came back very strongly this year.

It grew two long branches that I trained into the opposing lateral branches (see the photos) about a month and a half ago.   It has responded nicely.    After it goes dormant, I'll trim off any of the newly formed vertical branches, trim the end a bit and will cover it up for the winter.   Hopefully I'll get it covered well and that our weather won't be too extreme this winter.     If winter protection is successful, we may get some ripe figs before the end of the season next year.

Ingevald
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Subject: Patent: culture of edible figs (trellis/pruning system) Replies: 23
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I appreciated seeing your comments on this document and agree with your thoughts.   It does seem silly to patent a method or include in the patent a major concept that has been in practice in Japan for a long time (not sure how long the Japanese have been using this pruning method -  for a century(??) more or less.   Need to check my notes)

The patent document is however, an excellent handbook for growing figs intensively and for high production in a small space.   It does not provide "all" of the information related to fig cultivation but what is specifically addressed about production is quite good.  Ken Love's Hawaii Fruit site on the Japanese methods, for example,    http://www.hawaiifruit.net/Figs-Japan.htm   is quite good.   Lots of photos and some useful text.    

I've posted some links to sites and pictures in the past and one particular thread has been very educational http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/japanesestepover-espalier-orchard-the-adventure-begins-6297347 

I visited with Ken about the document a year or two ago and he seemed surprised to see his name show up in the document.

Ingevald

Subject: Another packrat attack on the figs Replies: 11
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Well, here is the update.    I set snap traps and my squirrel size live trap yesterday.   This morning I found a well fed packrat in the live trap (banana, peanut butter & raisins must have been attractive!).   I'll set it again just in case there is a partner involved.   I've included a couple of photos.   The dog was quite curious.

Ingevald

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Subject: Another packrat attack on the figs Replies: 11
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It has happened again, another damaging attack on my figs by a stinking packrat.   This occurred in my garage this time unlike last year's event http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/young-fig-plants-mowed-down-seeking-culprit-6042811?highlight=ingevald+packrat that occurred outside.    I had just watered the stored dormant figs about 6 days ago and all was well.   I stuck a heater in my garage two nights ago due to the -3 deg F nighttime temps.   I was not paying as close attention the other night but there were definitely no problems as of a week ago.   This critter(s) moves quickly.

I am frustrated by the damage.   It trimmed several plants over the entire area but the worst damage was to my smaller plants, cutting some close to soil level.   It also went after some air layers intended for folks and made off with some labels in the process.

I located the nest, confirming it is a packrat and have set several traps - not quite a minefield, but close.  I'll try to remember to post an update if the problem gets resolved.

I am posting this mainly for those folks who store figs during the winter.   I have learned in recent years that packrats and voles can be extremely destructive.  I imagine that other rodents can also cause problems.   Check on your plants during the dormancy season so that any developing issue can be stopped.

Ingevald

Subject: Beating RKN Replies: 4
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This is an interesting topic.   If you have noticed a reduced amount of infection, the mulch may be supporting a colony of arbuscular mycorrhizal fungi.   If you do a Google search using the terms arbuscular mycorrhizal & root knot nematode, you will find some articles about the topic.   Apparently this type of mycorrhizal fungi is able to control, suppress, etc., the root knot nematode.    Here are some sample papers:

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11104-011-1070-x#close
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22147206


It is encouraging that nature has a way of combating or at least keeping in check, this menacing pest.

Ingevald

Subject: Dangerous Beetle Pests Replies: 26
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Thanks for the posting and the very good photos.    That looks like a very destructive pest.  It does not look like the Asian Longhorned Beetle but some other destructive beetle.   Here is a link that might be interesting http://asianlonghornedbeetle.com/

Ingevald

Subject: Geothermal Fig Hoophouse Replies: 43
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Thanks for your note.     I noticed that I forgot to put in the two links for Russ Finch's project in Alliance, NE.    I salivate looking at all of the citrus growing in his greenhouse and the other plants.  It is just amazing what is growing there and through the strong winters that they have in western Nebraska.   Enjoy.




Ingevald

Subject: Geothermal Fig Hoophouse Replies: 43
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Thanks for offering to post the progress of your project.   I am very interested in seeing the various steps you are taking, solutions for complexities found along the way, etc.      The solar geothermal concept is a very efficient way to heat and cool a larger greenhouse, eliminating a large amount of energy that would normally be needed to keep the system working.    

 I wrote about my first hand observation of Ivan's greenhouse several years ago.   You can read about it here in this link  http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/fig/msg1001172116981.html  Technical information can be found here  http://www.sunnyjohn.com/indexpages/shcs.htm  There is a lot to wade through on this site, but worth the time if you are considering this design.

I discovered another interesting geothermal system for greenhouses that might be worth some study.   Russ Finch in Alliance, NE has devised a system that is similar to the system above and has successfully been in use for many years.  There are some differences and am leaning towards towards the set up that Ivan uses at the moment.   

Please keep us (or me) posted on your solar geothermal greenhouse project.

Ingevald

Subject: Mexico - Common figs and other ficus in the high desert Replies: 6
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I suppose that with some careful leaf and fruit photo comparison, these "black figs" could be identified.   Some other experts on the forum might be able to offer some ideas.    

Yes, the cactus tunas were good - slightly different flavors from the different varieties.   One of them I tasted this trip did have a watermelon-like flavor.    A refreshing desert fruit.

I ate a black sapote (a persimmon) last year.    It was certainly different from the Asian or the native North American persimmon.   The flesh was completely black and had a "unique" flavor that might grow on you...   Anyway, I love the fruit and vegetable markets!

ingevald

Subject: Sierra Figs - fresh fig from California Replies: 5
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I found some packaged fresh Sierra Figs in a local grocery store yesterday.   I have attached a photo of the figs and the packaging.    At first I was impressed to find this newer variety in the grocery store.   I have not had a chance to try a properly ripened fig from the plant yet.

Out of the two that I have eaten, one was definitely not ripe - too much latex taste.   The other one was better but still not the same as what I would expect from a fully ripe fruit.  

Here in northeast Kansas I have occasionally seen Brown Turkey, Black Mission, Conadria and Sierra offered as fresh figs in the markets.    In the dried form I have seen and eaten a variety of Turkish dried figs, the smaller "Shirazi" figs from Iran, Black Mission and some Greek string figs.   I've seen Kadota offered in metal cans but haven't tried them.

Overall, the fresh ones that I have tried from the local markets are just not the same as the home grown flavorful and fully ripe figs.    

Ingevald

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Subject: Article on Panachee and new fig industry Replies: 26
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Thanks for posting the article about this fig.   I appreciate the opportunity to read about "figs in the news" while not always searching for new stuff myself.

Ingevald

Subject: Mexico - Common figs and other ficus in the high desert Replies: 6
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I have returned from another trip to the central high desert region of San Miguel de Allende, Mexico.   This is a mountainous area.    The elevation is roughly 6100 to 6700 feet, from the valley to the high parts of the city.   Over the past few years I have been paying close attention to the fruit trees growing in this area, a place that doesn't get much hotter than the low 90's in summer and will briefly freeze in the winter.   Folks have planted many types of fruiting plants including:  pomegranate, guava, citrus, prickly pear cactus, papaya, passion fruit, loquat, and some figs.      There are not that many fig trees here, likely due to the freezes.   I have also heard that figs in this area are not a prime fruit - other fruits are more highly favored.   
 
   This is the first time that I have been there when figs are ripening and noticed that the "higos" were being sold on the sides of the highway into town.   It was important to add this fruit to my list of ones to seek in the markets.    The markets here are fabulous, offering a good variety of fruits throughout and at different times of the year (pomegranate, mango, citrus, bananas, pitaya, lychee, cherimoya, papaya, black sapote, coconut, pineapple, avocado, jujube, etc.)    I attached a photos of the black figs in the market setting.   I also attached a photo of the cross section of the black fig from the local market.   I thought that the figs were good - not exceptional and not bad.
 
   The ficus carica (common figs) that I have seen so far and have heard about are black figs.   I have no idea what variety they are, but assume they could be Black Mission.  I have not had much experience with the Mission fig, therefore can not speak with any authority on it.    At the nurseries, they just say they are "black figs," no name provided.  
   
  I have attached photos showing the typical way figs are found in nurseries and some of the places where I have found figs growing.   Most are grown behind walls in the courtyards, but overall have only seen a few over the years.   The tallest tree I have seen is about 13/14 feet tall.   Figs growing in the valleys tend to freeze back at this altitude and therefore are not grown very much and don't always make a crop.    The figs found in the markets come from lower elevations and are trucked in.

The photo of the "organic market" figs is a bit dark.   These figs looked a bit different from the common black ones. (one photo)

   The fig tree growing at the hot springs was growing mostly in shade, was about 9 feet tall and 14 feet wide.  It was loaded with fruit.  (one photo)
 
   There are other fig species growing here which may be of interest and have attached photos of most (the photo file name is descriptive).      Ficus microcarpa (Indian Laurel fig) is commonly planted along the streets and is pruned into a neat round shape (two photos).    Ficus elastica, the rubber tree, is somewhat common.  The trees can get to about 25 feet here with a big spread and an impressive skirt of roots (one photo).   Again, it is very impressive to see the familiar "office fig tree" growing into a large tree.    I recently discovered a nice sized ficus pumila growing off the side of a house, full of fruit.   It was the one dropped fruit that I spotted on the ground that prompted me to find the source! (two photos)   I do not have a photo, but have seen ficus benjamina grown as a yard tree.   I found one large one that must have been 20 feet tall and am sure they get bigger.  It is quite large compared with the familiar potted plant.

   Lastly, I included a picture of a prickly pear cactus (opuntia sp.) that was full of fruit.    They are called "tuna" and sometimes "figs."    The shapes of these fruits do resemble figs.
 
Enjoy - 
Ingevald
 

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Subject: Estahban Fig Orchards Paper ~30 quick pages Replies: 13
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Thank you very much for posting this!   It contains some very useful information and good photographs!

Ingevald