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Subject: The Tennessee Mountain Fig Replies: 8
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 546
 

Recently I had occasion to pass thru Tennessee and to my surprise went within 20 miles of Oak Ridge.  I first learned of the TM fig some years ago when I found a picture of it on the web, the caption saying that it grew on the lawn of a Vet Hospital in Oak Ridge.  By identifying the surroundings and calling the city horticulturist I learned where the fig was.

So, we drove to Oak ridge, and after asking a few questions I recalled the name of the vet clinic and went there.  I was made welcome and told to examine the tree to my hear's content, but that the extreme winter had reduced it to roots, and it was coming out from the ground.  Exactly as my figs did here in Oklahoma.

LOL, I spoke with a young man in Oak Ridge and asked him about their climate.  He told me that if they had two inches of snow they could count on having the schools closed.  He went on to tell me things that made me think he and I lived in the same town. 

At any ate, the Tennessee Mountain Fig lives on the sloping lawn of the Jackson Square Vet Clinic in Oak Ridge, Tennessee.  The people there are very nice and surely will not mind your looking at a fine example of the TMF.  


Subject: The Joe Morle Paradiso Replies: 11
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 1,059
 
Hi Guys and Gals;
Been a while since I posted on this site, but a discussion of the Violetta here and Recomer's post about the several Paradiso trees reminded me of a flap here a couple years ago. 

One of our members insisted that her fig was the true Paradiso, someone disputed that and the fuss was on.  I named my tree the REP, the Real Eyetalian Paradiso and have referred to it that way since.

Newnandawg:  The Paradiso is excellent if you can ripen them in dry weather--large, sweet, excellent flavor.

Ox

Subject: VIOLETA STILL STRONG Replies: 33
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 2,519
 
Sorry about that mix-up.  Mine is the Bayernfeige Violetta---Bayernfeige just means the fig came from Bavaria.

LOL, now that I've done a bit more exploring I see that people say this is nothing more than the Brown Turkey registered under a patented name.  I give up---who knows what it is. 

Ox

Subject: VIOLETA STILL STRONG Replies: 33
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 2,519
 
Violetta is a fig patented by Plattner in Germany.  They are sold under license here; I have one, and will get the first ripe fig off it in a few days if the wasps don't beat me to it. 

I've read that it is a only a variant of Celeste, a "sport" with a bit bigger fig and a little more cold resistance.  When it first came out it was touted as being resistant to zero or so, but that has been modified now--last I heard it was the standard 4 degrees F.  

Anyone with better information? 

Subject: The Joe Morle Paradiso Replies: 11
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 1,059
 
update:  Had to go out to the barn a bit ago and looked the Pak Black over.  Found one almost ripe fig, perhaps three times as large as the Celestes I've been getting. 

Has anyone any experience with this fig?  Is it particularly sweet, or does it have any other worthwhile characteristics?  Big and sweet are my two favorite qualities in a fig, but pretty is as pretty does and I've no use for a big and sweet fig that does not mature in this climate, or sours in damp weather.

Subject: The Joe Morle Paradiso Replies: 11
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 1,059
 

Well; what a disappointment it is.  A fine tree, figs as big as eggs.

BUT; open eye, and even a little shower here sours the fig.  Further, it is just now ripening, almost the middle of October, and we have no more hot days to bring them on.  Once the begin to sour little wasps about the size of a honeybee attack them---may as well, the figs are of no use to me.  I hate losing this tree--paid $50 for it as I recall, but it is useless in this climate, 35 miles S. of Tulsa, OK.

This leaves me with nothing but a couple of no-name-from-cuttings whose identity I've lost, a really nice Celeste, a Hardy Chicago, a Pakistani Black and a Plattner Violetta.  The last four are all in the ground.

The Celeste makes a good fig here, small, about the size of a quarter, but sweet.  The Hardy Chicago has no taste worth mentioning, the Pak Black is not much larger than the Celeste and ripening so late that I may never taste one.  (I'm going to let it grow another year to see if it improves as the tree matures) 

The Violetta just went into the ground this year, has only a branch or two (it nearly froze in its pot last winter) but it has one nice fig on it, larger than the Celeste.  Since it is said to be a variant of Celeste I expect it to be sweet when picked in the next day or two.

When I sent my potted figs away my daughter took a Texas Everbearing that had made really nice, big figs in late summer.  I need to get that one back.





  


Subject: Chicago Hardy/Hardy Chicago, Fig reports Replies: 7
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 941
 

LOL, I see them listed by nurseries under both names.

Been a while since I've been in here, but I wanted to report some results from the cold edge of zone 7, about 35 miles S. of Tulsa, OK.

I've about given up growing potted figs---way too much work for the crop.  I've given almost all of them to my kids and friends in Texas.

I had a Plattner Violetta in a large terra cotta pot that I left out on the SE side of my house last winter.  We had at least one night of minus ten F.  The plant died to its roots, I set it in the yard and it is coming back.  Next year it should bear again. 

I have a Celeste and a Joe Morle Paradiso in a bed on the S. side of my house, next to a brick wall.  Despite the cold, neither froze back and the Celeste is bearing good fruit.  The Paradiso is carrying figs but has not ripened one yet. 


Two figs out by my barn, planted on the S. side of the building, suffered some damage but came thru and are setting fruit.  One, the Hardy Chicago had a few ripe fruit a month ago, ripening others now.   The other fig is a Pakistan Black.  It suffered more damage but is setting fruit, not yet ripe. 

As for fruit quality, none exceed the Paradiso--I got a few figs from it in the past.  It has one weakness though; it has an open eye and will sour if rained on. 

The Hardy Chicago gets a very low rating in my opinion.  It will bear after being frozen back, but here the fruit is so tasteless as to be close to worthless to me. 

I've had the Plattner Violetta for several years.  It has borne large fruit of excellent quality in the past.

To the lady with the snake:  I've had large bull snakes here.  They will eat eggs, small chickens and guineas, doves, pigeons--as well as mice and rats and other snakes.  If they would guarantee one gopher for every half-dozen eggs they eat I'd establish a cafeteria for them.  
Ox


Subject: Back Visiting Replies: 1
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 385
 
Hi, Guys and gals.  I'm back for a short visit. 

Since coming here first I've married again, acquired a whole new set of kids and grands, seen a couple of them out of high and into college, some out again.

Last Summer was so dry here that I sent most of my figs home to Texas with a daughter, who distributed them among her friends, kept a few for herself.  They will do a lot better there than here.

Last winter I did not prune or cover my in-ground figs and they did not freeze back--never got below about ten degrees F.  Those trees are putting on heavily, a few brebas on a Paradiso.  Pak Black did lose some limbs in an exposed location but it too is coming back strong.  I did lose Brown Turkey that was potted and never taken inside.  Several other figs, small, in pots, did just fine outside. 

The Paradiso and a Celeste, behind a South wall of the house, are climbing toward ten feet tall.  Looking forward to a crop from those. 

This spring the rains have fallen well and timely.  Grass is belly deep to the cattle, three more inches of rain in the past three days.  Garden is loaded (but deep in grass) and we are eating new potatoes like candy. 

Hope all has gone well with you.

Ox

Subject: Here in N. E. Oklahoma Replies: 0
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 470
 
For the first time since I've lived here we had a winter that did not freeze back fig trees.

As usual, I cut back my in-ground figs so that they would fit inside 55 gallon barrels and insulated them with leaves or hay.  (leaves work better, by the way).

I was short one barrel and never got a Pakistani black covered.  It was the first fig to sprout and has put up shoots a foot from its base.  I moved all the potted figs outside.

Our March was exceptionally warm, the grass grew, the figs sprouted and the weather turned cool.  Seems as if we are stuck in a warm March.  The rains have been good.  We need a good year;   Last year was so bad that I sent most of my figs home to Texas with my Daughter. 
Ox


Subject: Joe's Jersey Original Tree in NJ Replies: 5
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 557
 
Joe:  A beautiful tree.  Just how cold does it get in Clifton, NJ?  I suspect that your climate does not get any colder than parts of the Texas gulf coast (though you get cold weather more often)  I've seen trees there coated with ice (but not below about 20F) that grew fifteen feet high. 

We got down to minus 15F here hast winter, coldest since I've been here.  Anything outside froze and died.


Subject: A Bad Fig Year Replies: 4
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 903
 
James, we had some of the same weather.  Hot one day, very cold the next.  I could have managed that, but I was not able to do much about the fifteen below zero when I was out trying to get hay to cattle. 

I thought the "barrel" figs would be fine, but they suffered too.


Subject: Pakistani Black #1 Replies: 7
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 627
 
Thanks, Guys.  ''

My daughter wants this tree for her husband.  He says he has visited the gardens of the governor of the province where this fir is supposed to have come from.  Won't do much good though if it willl not ripen here.
Ox


Subject: A Bad Fig Year Replies: 4
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 903
 
It has been a very disappointing fig year for me.  First, the winter of 10/11 got colder here than ever in my time.  I had fifteen below zero on the walls of my house.  Three of the potted figs in my garage did not make the winter, and a half dozen in the barn perished.

I have a Paradiso, a Celeste, a Hardy Chicago and a Pak Black in the ground, all were covered with plastic barrels and stuffed with leaves or hay.  Leaves proved to be better.  I had much dead wood to remove when I took off the barrels in the Spring.

Nevertheless, the in-ground figs grew well and have figs on them.  Only the H. C. has ripened any at this point. It was frozen back to the ground so it is living up to its name even though its figs are not very good. Of the four, the Pak Black seems to be the heaviest producer at this point. 

My potted figs act as though the weather has made them sick.  Despite all my care they put on few figs and the hot weather made them drop most.  It was impossible for me to keep them properly watered on days when the temps reached triple digits.  Some lost most of their leaves, retaining only top knots.  Others lost most of their leaves and sprouted branches along the bare stems. 

The toughest of them seem to be the Bayern Feige Violetta, the Texas Everbearing and s local tree I've taken cuttings from.  Another local, antecedents known to have survived in Tulsa for at least sixty years, has only one large fig on it, but the fig looks like a good one.  That tree may go in the ground.

How about the rest of you?  Did the excessive summer heat set you back?  Lose any figs last winter? 


Subject: Pakistani Black #1 Replies: 7
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 627
 
Who has experience with this fig? 

I have one in-ground out on the S. side of my barn.  It has been in the ground two years now and at present is a very bushy four feet tall, as broad across as it is tall.  It must be cut back and put under a barrel (a half barrel, less than two feet tall) each year.

It is loaded with figs; some branches have a fig at every leaf--those are the ones I pinched early in the year.  Others have only clusters of figs at the ends of the branches. It is the end of August and not one fig has ripened on that tree; none are larger than a man's thumb, and none that long.

A Hardy Chicago planted twenty feed away has not grown so well, but it has a few ripe figs, small and not especially tasty.  They are ripe, though, so I must conclude that the Pak is a late fig.

What am I te expect?  How large will these figs get, given plenty of water and good growing conditions?  Are they sweet? 


Subject: Hardy and not so Hardy Replies: 21
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 2,191
 
Thanks Herman; that is good to know and I will keep an eye on them.  They are looking good, but so far we've not really had any warm  weather; a day in the seventies, a week of cold, then a day of eighty, more cool weather.  I count on heat arriving on May 15 just like I count on tornadoes in Ok on Mother's day. 

My garden is still a mud pie after last week's weather and more rain is expected tomorrow.  Fig cuttings in a white plastic barrel out behind the barn (like a little covered greenhouse) are sprouting but I potted them in soil this year so will not know roots until they hit the wall.

Snake ate all my chicken eggs today; cougar killed a couple of my neighbor's calves and slashed his bull's shoulder, cut up my dog two days ago, got the neighbor's dog yesterday.  Got the govt. trapper coming next week to see what he can do.  I've not seen the beast but neighbor kid and the fellow behind me have seen him.  Apparently the West is still a bit wild.


Subject: Hardy and not so Hardy Replies: 21
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 2,191
 
Frozen Joe:  I am on the cold edge of zone 7, about 35 miles S. of Tulsa, OK.  For the first time since I've been in OK the temp dropped to -15F for one night this winter.  Several days below zero. 

Vasile:   May be the individual tree or the climate, but I think my Paradiso puts on a darker fig than the Brunswick pictured here.  It DOES have a big eye and it DOES sour in rainy weather, but all big-eye'd figs sour.

If the Celeste and the Paradiso disappoint me, I will yank them out and put in my Plattner B. Violetta. 

By the way, fellows; some of my potted figs put on breba's and so far are holding them.
Ox




Subject: Hardy and not so Hardy Replies: 21
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 2,191
 
I have only four trees in the ground.  Two are in a flower bed on the S. side of my house and benefit from the warmth radiated by the brick walls.  Two more are on the S. side of my metal barn, which is as cold as a witches teat in the winter. 

Those in front of the house are a Celeste and a Joe Morle Paradiso; the Celeste two years in the ground, the Paradiso three years.  The Celeste was cut off to barrel height, a barrel put over it and the barrel packed with straw.  The Paradiso was cut off as well, then packed with leaves raked off the lawn.  Both trees survived the -15F temperature we endured  this winter, but the Paradiso (that packed in leaves) is coming out more quickly and vigorously than the Celeste. 

Out by the barn were a Hardy Chicago and a Pakistani Black, the UCD fig.  The HC is going into its third season, the Pak is going into its second season in-ground.  They are about the same size.  The HC was packed in straw inside a barrel, the Pak Black was trimmed to half-barrel height, covered with soil and a half-barrel put over it.  The unheated barn provided protection only from the wind.  Both trees exhibit much freeze damage, some branches killed to the ground but some alive and sprouting.  Interestingly, the Pakistani, that covered with soil, suffered more damage and is coming out more slowly than the HC. 

I have to conclude that (1) older trees are more frost resistant, (2) Leaves are better insulation than straw, (3) HC is one tough little tree and (4) it takes a lot of dirt to cover a fig tree so that it will tolerate sub-zero weather. 
Ox




Subject: Momma Gopher dies :-)) Replies: 44
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 1,542
 
Figluva:
I grew up next door to Indianola and Magnolia Beach.  Just exactly where were you setting those crab traps??

There were lots of gators in Green Lake, but I never saw one down around Indianola.  Were you up in the mouth of Powderhorn Lake or over in Chocolate Bayou?  Used to see lots of sea turtles on the little shell island in Chocolate Bayou.

When I was a kid he N. wind would blow the tide out and I'd carry an orange crate out on the reef leading to the shell island.  I'd open and eat all the oysters I could reach, sitting on the orange crate to keep my butt just out of the water.  When I had opened all I could reach I'd move the crate a bit and start over.  That was maybe l943, 1944. 
Ox 


Subject: How Life Has Changed Replies: 2
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 555
 
Well, Fellows, Spring looks as if it might be here again. 

When I started coming to this forum I was newly widowed and living alone.  All the children were busy with their own lives and had begun the process of "letting Dad take care of himself again".  (Gad, having children hover over you like old hens and not saying a word because you know they mean well is difficult and gratifying at the same time.)

At any rate, I filled my patio with figs, tended them like babies and multiplied them.  I gave away many, took them to the family reunion for the while elephant auction and even sold a couple. 

Then I marrted again and started looking around this place and seeing all the other things I should have been doing.  Fences, cattle, chickens, church, the house and a new wife took priority.  Still, last year was a good year for figs and we put up many pints of fig jam. (And it is all gone!)

When Fall came I put all I could into the garage, including a dozen or small plants from last  year's rooting.  Six I could not fit into the garage; they went into the barn.  We had many days below freezing and one night of fifteen below zero.  Those in the barn perished and many of our outdoor plants froze to the ground. 

Friends here have sent cuttings; they are rooting.  Yesterday I put all the figs outside, betting on having had the last freeze of the year.  It is unseasonably warm and dry but the figs look good and some are carrying brebas.

Wishing you all a good year for figs.  As for me, I must go feed the cattle, the chickens and build some fence. I'll water the figs late this afternoon.
Ox


Subject: Frost Damage Replies: 1
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 564
 
Fellows:
Last fall I had too many figs for the space I had in my garage.  I wound up by setting a Hardy Chicago, Sal's EL and a couple of others, along with a pair of wild climbing roses and a night blooming jasmine under the shed of my barn in a protected but unheated corner.  I watered them once and at the time they looked ok.

I just moved them into the sunlight.  Only the roses seem to be pushing out buds.  We got to Minus fifteen  here this winter.  Think there is much chance any will survive?????????

I looked into my "barreled" figs last week.  They all seem to be fine though I won't know for certain until I take off the barrels.

All my potted figs in the garage are pushing out leaves and brebas; time to let them have both water and sunlight but the average date for last frost is still three weeks off.


Subject: Fig cuttings I'm Looking For Replies: 2
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 726
 
That would probably be Bayernfeige Violetta.  Too late; I think I sent the last of those I rooted last year home with my daughter yesterday.  It is a darn good fig, too.  Stay after it. 

Subject: I'm quiting Replies: 46
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 2,348
 
Well Bass; you gave us a start, that's for sure.  I could not imagine what must have happened!!!!  When things like that happen to me I pull and Elmer Fudd rage, but so far have not given up my toys. 

Now I am a little apprehensive about uncovering my outdoor trees, but I have to hold off for another two weeks at least.  I did take the top off two of my barrels and have a peek.  Still alive inside after minus fifteen weather here.  My potted figs are budding out in the garage and I am going to have to move them outdoors soon.


Subject: Today ,I checked my protected trees,for life! Replies: 20
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 1,539
 
Geothermal Heat is most likely the answer.  There is a cattle watering device that works on this principle.  The water trough sits over a hole dug four feet into the ground, and ground heat rising keeps the tank above it from freezing. 

We have roughly the same result with our covered figs.  Heat coming up from the ground keeps the interior of our covering devices warmer than the outside air. Since no wind can take the heat away, and insulating leaves (or straw, or mats, or whatever) slows down heat loss from the container our figs stay warmer than those exposed.  If snow piles up around the containers they stay even warmer.  I don't get a lot of snow, so I pile dirt up on the sides of the barrels I use.

One nice big container is a garage.  Mine stays just above freezing even in the coldest weather because I have a small thermostatically controlled heater out there.


Subject: What else do you grow? Replies: 106
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 9,031
 
Hello, Guys and Gals:

I've been away for a while and darned if you don't come up with a really good thread!!!!

Pecans, black walnut, mulberries and paw paw will naturalize here.  I have probably a hundred and fifty native and grafted trees.  Unfortunately if not tended, fertilized and sprayed they are unpredictable.  This year the squirrels took every nut; I got none, so you can see it was a small crop.  Black walnuts here are not worth the trouble of shelling--little meat and hard work.  Mulberry is fine if you like them; they grow well, as do paw paw.

Blackberries are native here and the thornless varieties do well but are a garden crop.  If untended they die out.  The wild ones become a pest. 
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Elderberries are also naturalized here--they grow along the roadsides.

In addition to those naturalized nuts and berries (and of course the figs) I have;
Plum  (Wild plums here are small and useless)
Apple
Peach
Asian pear
grapes (The seedless varieties developed by the U. of Ark.)  Wild grapes are abundant but they make no useful fruit. Some of the U. of A. grapes, especially the red seedless, are as good as any you can get at the grocery.
Domestic pear (two varieties)
Japanese persimmon (Tana Nashi and Saijo)  Saijo is said to be the better one but mine are just whips, planted in late Fall 2009. 
Jujube--an unknown variety planted by the original owner of this home. 

I live next to a peach and apple grower, so could have an abundance of those if I were willing to make the effort--growing those here take real work as borers and drought take the peaches, scale and smut get apples.  Worms and chewing bugs get the fruit, too, so my most successful apple is the Arkansas Black.  It will put on fruit and give a decent crop even if ignored.  You have to be willing to cut out a bad spot or two on an apple, but they are hardy, delicious and good keepers.  Oh, I forgot; a  peach tree may have a crop ready to pick tomorrow and be stripped by coons before daylight on the day you plan to pick. 

Cherries:  I kinow where there is/'was a cherry tree fifteen feet high and that wide about twenty miles from here but I have not been able to get one to survive. 

Ditto on the gardening comments; a big garden is a pleasure to work, the produce is fresh and delicious. The wife enjoys both watching it grow and the picking and eating. I grow a few flowers and roses for her too. 

Goumi?  I had better check that one out.  I'm coming eighty, but I just might have time to get one to bearing size if I get right on it.

Oh; I forgot that hickory trees grow well here too, and are native.  I don't bother with the nuts since pecans are available.  I have a few large trees but cut them for firewood along with the black locust (the honey producer).
Ox




Subject: A question of temperatures Replies: 0
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 908
 
I wonder just how much cold can a tree take????
Everything says that figs such as Celeste and B. Violetta, planted in the ground, can take temps down to around four degrees F. 

I left a Celeste, a Joe Morle Paradiso, the Pakistani Black and a Hardy Chicago out in the cold when it got down to 22F.  At that point they'd lost all their leaves and I trimmed them back to fit in barrels, stuffed the barrels with hay and covered them.

The Hardy Chicago had frozen back to the ground last year and was small, but the branches looked good when I put them up for the winter.  I filled that barrell part way with soil, then filled it the rest of the way with hay and covered it. 

The Pak Black looked pretty bad; it may be a tender fig, though my son in law says he has visited the area where it is supposed to have originated and that it gets quite cold there.  It was covered like the Hardy Chicago. 

The Celeste, though covered, froze back last year, growing to about 9 feet tall this year.  I cut it back to a bit less than four feet and will be eager to see what the Spring will show. 

The Joe Morle Paradiso (the REP),. had a four inch trunk and many branches, so when I cut it back it was pretty much a thick four foot stub.  That too will be of interest in the Spring.  It and the Celeste were covered with a barrel full of hay, no soil other than that heaped about six inches high around the outside of the barrels to hold them steady.  The barrels were covered in turn with a flat cap that allows for venting moisture.

My question is this:  Assuming that the trees are not growing--that is they have not been fertilized late in the season, they are not watered and the season has come on slowly enough that they lose their leaves and go dormant, what will the effect of severe cold be.  For example I know that 28 F for a few hours will kill back the green tips of young branches.  What happens at 20 F?   What happens at 15 F?

Assuming that you have a tree that has been in a pot for three years, in the ground for two more--a five year old tree.  It may have a five year old trunk six inches across and 4 feet tall,  side branches three years old,  two inches thick and six inches long.  The side branches in turn may have shoots of this year, less than a year old.

What happens if that tree is left exposed to the wind  and rain in ten degree weather?
Ox





Subject: Let Replies: 13
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 1,212
 
Let's talk about Sue's Willow Street Fig.

Sue sent me a handful of cuttings this spring and I put them out in cups.  Some were tip cuttings, and one of the Willow Street figs grew like gangbusters, putting on two figs at the tip even though I never repotted any of them.  I sent the one with figs home  to Houston with my brother this morning, so I never got to taste a fig. 

The figs are about as big around as a half dollar, purple black and with a very tight, virtually closed eye.  The tight eye would make it a great fig for South Texas where it is likely to be wet every morning and raining all too often when figs should ripen.  It it is cold hardy it would be good here.

Does anyone have any experience with this fig?  How does it taste?  Does anyone have an idea what the true name might be?  Sue?  What do you know about this one?
Ox

Subject: Brown Turkey fig trees in VA Replies: 34
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 6,036
 
My nursery tree labeled "Texas Everbearing" was one of the very best figs here this season.  Started ripening early, continued bearing until about two weeks ago.  First  year in a barrel, three year old tree.  Looks very much like the BT pictured above. 
Taste seemed great to me. 


Subject: He's back at it again Replies: 107
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 9,197
 
I do not see how anything could be dormant.  I cut way back on watering and cut out fertilizing altogether in August, and my trees are slowing way down but they are not dormant.

My Japanese persimmon trees had green wood half way down a month ago.  The cool weather and lack of water has hardened them off some, but I'd like to see them suffer a bit before frost.  I don't want them to die back at all. 

As for cuttings being "true to name", it is a guessing game.  I have three Chicago Hardy trees.  Two from nurseries, one from a member here.  The one from our member and one of the nursery trees match.  What the other tree is may be anyone's guess.

Certainly we should let it be known if anyone is repeatedly selling trees that are not as represented.
Ox


Subject: Paradiso or Genova fig Replies: 7
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 1,598
 
I've got a Joe Morle Paradiso, and it has begun to ripen figs here.  It is behind the Texas everbearing, the Italian Red, the Bayernfeige Violeta, Kadota and Hardy C. but it makes a nice big fig that is sweet when ripe. 

I suspect that it is later than the other figs just because the others are potted.  My in-ground Celeste is not ripening yet either, while Hardy Chicago is done, Black #1 is just starting. 

No question; the Paradiso has leaves similar but not the same as unknown fig you here tell me is Brunswick. 


Subject: Black #1, U. of Cal, Davis Replies: 2
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 710
 
Friend shipped me Black #1 last year.  I put it in the ground out by my barn and it has prospered there.  It is loaded with figs.  I was all upset when they started ripening.  It is a YELLOW fig, greenish yellow.

Then I looked it up here on Jon's site and he says "Not sure why it is called "Black" based on fruit seen at USDA/UC Davis..."

For those of you with this fig; does it produce a yellow fig? 
Ox


Subject: Name these Figs, Please Replies: 8
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 947
 
Jason:
The third picture shows one leaf each off three trees.  All were sold to me as "Hardy Chicago". 

The first and third leaves are off plants from a nursery in Alabama and from one of the members here.  The center leaf is from a plant sold to me by Plant Ranch (on the net) in Chicago. 

That center leaf does not look at all like the first and third.  So far I've not gotten a fig from that tree; next year will tell the tale.


Subject: Another (Paradiso bronze),pretty and flavorfull fig! Replies: 33
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 3,487
 
Herman:
I have the Joe Morle Paradiso in ground on the S. side of my house.  It is growing in the shade of a Celeste that grows on the W. of it.

Both these figs are three years old, both lived under 55 gallon barrels last winter.  The Celeste is about ten feet tall, the Joe Morles a bit shorter because in the afternoon the Celeste shades part of it. 
 
I got two ripe Paradiso figs last week.   Judging from the size and color, I really do not expect many of them, until late September.  I am already looking forward to next year.  I expect the in-ground trees to do well.
Ox



Subject: Name these Figs, Please Replies: 8
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 947
 
Thanks to you both.  I went out and cut a ripe fig, compared it to the Brunswick pictures here on F4F and they look very much alike.  Considering that the Brunswick is well adapted to the SW and drier parts of the South, Brunswick may well be what I have.  It certainly has survived well in Tulsa and is growing well for me.

Now how about taking a look at the Granny Walker fig? 

The center leaf from my Hardy Chicago (in the picture I posted) is NOT an HC.    What it comes down to is that Plant Ranch in Chicago sold me a pussy willow that vines and does not bloom and a Hardy Chicago that looks nothing at all like the ones I got from members of this forum. 

Waaaaah!  I have three Tennessee Mountain figs and a ten-foot high in-ground Celeste, all look the same, all making figs about the diameter of a quarter.  Those figs had better taste good or I am going to have to chop down a big tree.
Ox


Subject: Name these Figs, Please Replies: 8
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 947
 
Jason;
I'd like to know, but whatever it is, it has survived untended between two houses in Tulsa for about 20 years.

The second has leaves much like my Texas Everbearing but the figs are not quite so large as those I am getting from the TE this year.  That came from a cutting of a tree that has lived on the S. side of a house in Broken Arrow, Ok for over 40 years and was itself a cutting from another tree that had been in Tulsa for about that long.

I have no clue what that middle leaf in the third picture is.  It was sold to me as a Hardy Chicago, but the leaf looks nothing like the leaves of the two other HC's I have.  That tree is living a a pot far too small, in bad growing medium,  and has yet to give me a fig.  I will give it a better site this fall.


Subject: Name these Figs, Please Replies: 8
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 947
 
Ok, Guys; the first is Mildred's fig, the second Granny Walker's,. the third picture is comparison of three leaves of Hardy Chicago from different sources.  The middle leaf is from PlantRanch in Chicago. 

I would welcome opinions as to the identity of any of these.  Note that the middle "HC" does not resemble the other two.
Ox

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Subject: What eats fig Leaves? Replies: 8
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 3,052
 
Jason;
That would have been my thought except that whatever it was ate the plum tree twigs and all.  Caterpillars will eat the leaves but leave the twigs.  This was almost certainly a four legged varmint, and I am guessing deer or goat. 


Subject: What eats fig Leaves? Replies: 8
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 3,052
 
Does anyone have any first-hand experience with any animal that eats fig leaves?  Has anyone even HAD a fig tree eaten by any animal? 

Any number of animals will eat fruit trees such as apples, pears, plums, etc, but I've never heard of one that ate fig leaves.  Whatever it was stripped the little trees bare.


Ox


Subject: What eats fig Leaves? Replies: 8
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 3,052
 
I need help.  A friend had plum and fig trees growing on her property in Georgia.  She came home to find the leaves eaten off her fig trees and the plum trees stripped of even the smaller branches.

There are cattle across the fence from her, and cattle have been known to get on her land.  There are deer in the area, and some horses but no domestic animals are supposed to be on her property. 

Anyone with experience here?


Subject: The Hardiness Challenge Replies: 59
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 11,004
 
This is of interest to me as I am on the cold edge of zone 7.    Knowing that hardiness was a challenge I planted Celeste and Hardy Chicago plus a number of others. 

As it turns out, I do not at all like the flavor, the size or the productivity of either Celeste or HC.  Kadota tastes to me much like cardboard.  Herman's MVS is tasty but small.  Sal's fig is no better than Celeste in my opinion, small and of mediocre quality. 

On the other hand, I have a Texas Everbearing (what CAN it be?), a Bayernfeige Violetta and two local unknowns that make large figs and are delicious.  A Joe Morle Paradiso in the ground is making large figs that are very tasty as well. 

Of course my two unknows (very much unlike in leaf but similar in size and color) have survived in Tulsa because they were either very hardy or in warm microclimates.  Who knows until I put them in the ground here?

Unless you are principally a collector without an interest in what you get for your efforts, productivity, taste and the rewards of labor count.  I'd certainly like to find that ideal fig, highly productive, large, cold-hardy and flavorful.
Ox



Subject: Culling Figs Replies: 12
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 1,162
 
You guys just CANNOT be serioux, can you!!!!!   LOL, a new wife?  I had the old one for over 47 years and this one says she is not going anywhere so long as I follow directions.

Debbie:  Most of the trees are so large that it would cost a fortune to ship them.  If you'd like cuttings this fall let me know.

Paully; I do not have Desert King but I do have Grantham's Royal.  The G R has not set fruit but has grown from an eighteen inch plant to close to five feet this year.  Last week I cut all the leaves but the top cluster from two of its branches so that I could test THAT theory.  We'll know in a couple of weeks if it will set fruit, but I do not think figs started in mid to late August will fully ripen here.  Last year that little tree set one fig, a really nice large one. 

Peg; you are correct of course.  I may abandon all but one of the small-fruited figs, but I will give them all a chance.  What is disappointing to me is that I have two local unknowns that are near the top of the list. I really would like to know what I have when they are hat good. 

I'd also like a fig to be early-ripening, too.  So far the Texas Everbearing and the Violetta are ahead of the pack, but the local unknowns and Red Italian are in there close.  Celeste and the Joe Morle Paradiso, in the ground, are going to be late.  Same with the Black #1.

Jon:  Do potted figs in full sun have any advantage, specifically as to early-ripening, over figs in full sun in the ground? 
Ox


Subject: Culling Figs Replies: 12
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 1,162
 
LOL;
Thanks all for the congratulations and the advice.  No Jon, I want to keep the wife in the house, neither potted nor grounded.

The fact is though, I have come to the conclusion that collecting figs and keeping figs for their value are two different things, and I prefer keeping them for their value. 

All agriculturists must choose crops that are suited to their climate, that produce well under management that can be provided and that have value.  Here I can grow only the hardiest figs.  None can be left unprotected in winter.  This means that I must cut them back each fall, cover them somehow and tend them again in the spring.  I can put them in the ground only in sheltered locations where I can cover them and assure their survival. 

Productivity requires that they come out quickly in the spring, set good fruit crops, and have fruit large enough and tasty enough to be useful.  If I have two trees that set twenty pounds of equally tasty fruit each, I would prefer the one with the largest fruit.  If two trees are equal, I would prefer the one with a closed eye.  If two trees are equal (personal taste here) I would prefer the one with dark fruit. 

I have Celeste because it is supposedly the gold standard for cold hardiness.  On the other hand, Plattner claims their Bayernfeige Violetta to be the champion in cold hardiness.  Between the two, and in my opinion, the Violetta is by far the better fig,

I'd like your opinions on these matters.  I am inexperienced fig culture and would value the thoughts of those of you who have had figs for many years.
Ox


Subject: Culling Figs Replies: 12
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 1,162
 
Well fellows:
I have a new wife, a place to keep up and more figs than I can shake a stick at. 
I can see now that I am going to have to limit the number of figs that I have. 

Criteria will be productivity, size, sweetness and flavor.  This just about rules out Hardy Chicago and Celeste. 

So far my Texas Everbearing, Bayernfeige Violetta, Kadota and the two local unknowns are ahead of the pack.  Both the B. Violetta and the Tx Everbearing  are producing figs two inches across and sweet as sugar.  The Violetta when it is barely ripe seems as sweet as a dead-ripe Tx. E.   The Red Italian is right in there with them.

The Texas Everbearing and the Violetta are also earlier this year than the others.

If you were limited to ten trees in pots and five in the ground, which would you keep?


Subject: Trying again with Pictures Replies: 16
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 1,169
 
Jason;
Both my local unknowns are producing this year.  I should have ripe fruit within a week or two.  The fact is that one of them looks very much like the Morle Paradiso. 

Once upon a time Tulsa, McAlester/Krebs and Coalgate, Ok had sizable Italian colonies--coal miners.  I would not be surprised to find some good figs still hanging around OK. 
Ox


Subject: Trying again with Pictures Replies: 16
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 1,169
 
Jason; that is a local unknown.  I got it out of Mildred's yard so to me it is simply "Mildred's fig".   The big fig in the brown container. 


Subject: Trying again with Pictures Replies: 16
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 1,169
 
Jason;
That HC came from Plantranch.  I ordered an HC and a Pussy Willow.  The Pussy Willow is a variety I've never seen, a climbing vine that has in two years not bloomed.  Perhaps the HC is one we've never seen before as well. 

Fact is though, you really cannot see the HC leaves for the unknown in front of it.  I've got a couple of other HC's, from members here, so I will go and compare right now.
Ox


Subject: Trying again with Pictures Replies: 16
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 1,169
 
Here are a couple more pictures.  This time we are looking at, R to L, a Tn Mtn fig, a Texas Everbearing and a Sal's EL.  Only the Tx Everbearing put on figs this year.

The second picture is a local unknown I call "Mildred's Fig" an HChicago from Plantranch (in really bad soil; not it's fault that it has not grown) and just peeking in the right side of the picture is a sprout from Herman's MVS.  The kid who takes care of my place when I am gone let it get too dry and it just barely made it.  It is ripening about a dozen figs, and I have another young MVS planted in the bed with the Celeste and the Morle Paradiso. 

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Subject: Trying again with Pictures Replies: 16
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 1,169
 
Twice I have posted pictures.  After typing the descriptions I have gone to the "Manage Attachements:" feature below and hit "browse", chose my pictures, opened them and posted.  Each time they showed up on the post when I opened "Figs4Fun".

However, they are soon gone?  What is going on? 

This time I am posting only two pictures.  Let's see if they stay.
Ox


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Subject: Some Pictures Replies: 4
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 617
 
Why won;t the pictures stay up?  I've posted them twice! 
Ox


Subject: Some Pictures Replies: 4
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 617
 
Sorry Guys and Gals:
One moment they were there, the next they were gone!

Subject: Some Pictures Replies: 4
Posted By: Oxankle Views: 617
 
I am attaching some pictures.  Some of my figs are bearing, others have no figs at all.  The first picture shows a Tenn Mt. fig, my Texas Everbearing ands a Sal's EL.  Only the Texas E. has figs.  You may notice a wire guard around a small oak in the background.  That is to keep it from being cut down by beaver in the creek behind.

The second picture is of a local unknown I call "Mildred's Fig" and my Plant Ranch HC.  The HC is in bad soil and has no figs.  Barely visible on the extreme right is a shoot off my potted Marseilles VS.  The boy tending my stock while Barb and I were gone earlier this year let it get too dry and it almost died.  It is now ripening about a dozen small figs. 

The third picture shows a Kathleen's Black, and Grantham's Royal and a smaller Kathleen's B.  The smallest tree had one fig, the others none.

The fourth picture shows a Kadota on the left, a B. Violetta in right foreground.  Both are loaded and getting ripe.  The fifth picture shows the Joe Morle Paradiso with a Celeste behind it.  Both are in their second year in-ground.  Unseen in the foreground of this bed is a small Marseilles VS that I set into the ground about sixty days ago. 

The sixth and last picture shows figlets forming on sprouts above a pinch site.  These sprouts are short, but there are others a foot long or more with five or six figlets on each.